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The problem with WPF/Silverlight is that Microsoft never managed to make it feel fast enough to compete with native code. The Windows Phone 7 UI is praised beca

The problem with WPF/Silverlight is that Microsoft never managed to make it feel fast enough to compete with native code. The Windows Phone 7 UI is praised because of its excellent performance. Now imagine that Microsoft would have used WPF instead. Because of the Silverlight requirement it's impossible for third party app developers to reach same level of performance as build-in services. I would like to see a new UI framework that everyone inside Microsoft feels is good enough to use. And give third parties equal access.

chrisjsmith 15y ago
Agreed. Visual Studio 2010 is testament to your comment.
- keyle 15y ago
  I've got a i7 8gig of ram and SSD and VS2010 runs like a complete pig on a year old project. It's unbelievably bad. Each time I report problems, they close them saying 'cannot reproduce'. So if that's the case, why do people upvote my issues?
  - chrisjsmith 15y ago
    Same trouble here. My (work) workstation is a Dual Xeon, 12Gb RAM, SAS 15k disks (to replace the crap SSDs Dell shipped with the machines). We have (using CLOC) about 250K lines of C# (!). MVC3/NHibernate etc. Takes FOREVER to compile and run (3-4 minutes per change). Resharper is unusable. Crashes every 30 mins or so. Using SP1. I get the same with Microsoft Connect as well. It's a disaster zone. I hate working with the stack.
    - jimbobimbo 15y ago
      I would start with removing Resharper first. While I understand why people like having it around, I've seen it degrading performance of otherwise perfectly capable setup on the same solution which flies on a similar setup without Resharper.
    - taway990 15y ago
      >Resharper is unusable. That has been true in most every version of VS I have used...almost like Resharper itself sucks from a software engineering point...hmmmm >Crashes every 30 mins or so. Using SP1. Try taking off Resharper. I hate how Visual Studio is so unguarded against poorly written components / extensions, but it is. The single biggest point of slowness / crashes I have ever seen is in third party crap, they just figure you'll blame Visual Studio so they don't care.
      - chrisjsmith 15y ago
        Ack I don't use R# any more TBH. Dies every 30 mins rather than ever 15 without it so it's a little better... I use the productivity power tools which is good enough. You can probably find much ranting about R# on stackoverflow from myself.
  - PonyGumbo 15y ago
    It's understandable - I have a similar setup (i7 860, 8GB, Intel SSD) and VS2010 runs like a champ. I haven't installed the service pack, though, because all I hear is horror stories. The only time it bogs down for me is when I have Resharper is in "Analyze Errors in Entire Solution" mode, but that's been an ongoing issue for me since... VS2005.
    - keyle 15y ago
      I can confirm to you that the SP1 causes occasional hanging (30+ secs).
  - arethuza 15y ago
    There is definitely something weird with the performance of VS 2010 - running it side by side on two identical laptops on the same project one was unusable and the other was perfectly OK.
    - chrisjsmith 15y ago
      That might be the graphics card. We purchased ATI FireGL cards to speed up VS performance and it worked!
      - dman 15y ago
        Any details about this? I am intrigued.
        chrisjsmith 15y ago
        Went from Quadro 2 to ATI FireGL and the UI performance doubled. That is about it.
      - S_A_P 15y ago
        I will concur. Aside from a memory hog, VS2010 performance has been ok on my dev box which has an NVidia Quadro card in it. However, there are still some quirks in the environment that I attribute to WPF bugs. I have frequent redraw issues even after applying SP1. I also noticed that my installation has a whole lot of trouble with datasets and pulling up the designer file. TFS 2010 issues have been the most frustrating thus far though. They are better with SP1, but still exist.
        chrisjsmith 15y ago
        I have frequent redraw issues as well with Quadro cards. Particularly when moving VS between screens (we have dual monitor setups). It sometimes whites out portions of it. Occasionally as well it just goes batshit and goes white and flickers as well. Oh and the performance sucks on low end Quadro cards. We upped them to ATI FireGL and they seem ok now. Still not happy about the situation.
- taway990 15y ago
  Do you have third party things installed like Resharper? My Visual Studio runs like a champ then again I don't install giant steaming piles of shit like Resharper, which has always struck me as something that was written by idiots or drunken monkeys. The fact that so many people install tons of add ins and extensions and then say 'Visual Studio perf sucks' baffles me. It is like installing a bunch of crap toolbars in IE and then saying 'IE perf sucks'.
  - chrisjsmith 15y ago
    I did but I don't now. Your solution probably doesn't have 50 projects and quarter of a million lines of c# code in it (oh and another 1/2 million lines of XML and T-SQL).
  - contextfree 15y ago
    well everyone seems to love Resharper - I think you're the first I've encountered who didn't like it. other than myself, I can't stand it.
    - chrisjsmith 15y ago
      I'm on a team of approximately 15 people. At least 11 of them hate it. I think R#'s hate is silent hate as far as publicising goes.
mariusmg 15y ago
There are lots of perf problems with SL on WP7 too. Anyway...from my point of view the biggest problem with the WPF design is that they didn't include the "draw it yourself GDI style" option.
- chrisjsmith 15y ago
  You can AFAIK in WPF (not SL which is a smaller lib subset). You can render it to a GDI Image and then convert that using CreateBitmapSourceFromHBitmap. It sucks though.

chrisjsmith 15y ago

Agreed. Visual Studio 2010 is testament to your comment.

keyle 15y ago
I've got a i7 8gig of ram and SSD and VS2010 runs like a complete pig on a year old project. It's unbelievably bad. Each time I report problems, they close them saying 'cannot reproduce'. So if that's the case, why do people upvote my issues?
- chrisjsmith 15y ago
  Same trouble here. My (work) workstation is a Dual Xeon, 12Gb RAM, SAS 15k disks (to replace the crap SSDs Dell shipped with the machines). We have (using CLOC) about 250K lines of C# (!). MVC3/NHibernate etc. Takes FOREVER to compile and run (3-4 minutes per change). Resharper is unusable. Crashes every 30 mins or so. Using SP1. I get the same with Microsoft Connect as well. It's a disaster zone. I hate working with the stack.
  - jimbobimbo 15y ago
    I would start with removing Resharper first. While I understand why people like having it around, I've seen it degrading performance of otherwise perfectly capable setup on the same solution which flies on a similar setup without Resharper.
  - taway990 15y ago
    >Resharper is unusable. That has been true in most every version of VS I have used...almost like Resharper itself sucks from a software engineering point...hmmmm >Crashes every 30 mins or so. Using SP1. Try taking off Resharper. I hate how Visual Studio is so unguarded against poorly written components / extensions, but it is. The single biggest point of slowness / crashes I have ever seen is in third party crap, they just figure you'll blame Visual Studio so they don't care.
    - chrisjsmith 15y ago
      Ack I don't use R# any more TBH. Dies every 30 mins rather than ever 15 without it so it's a little better... I use the productivity power tools which is good enough. You can probably find much ranting about R# on stackoverflow from myself.
- PonyGumbo 15y ago
  It's understandable - I have a similar setup (i7 860, 8GB, Intel SSD) and VS2010 runs like a champ. I haven't installed the service pack, though, because all I hear is horror stories. The only time it bogs down for me is when I have Resharper is in "Analyze Errors in Entire Solution" mode, but that's been an ongoing issue for me since... VS2005.
  - keyle 15y ago
    I can confirm to you that the SP1 causes occasional hanging (30+ secs).
- arethuza 15y ago
  There is definitely something weird with the performance of VS 2010 - running it side by side on two identical laptops on the same project one was unusable and the other was perfectly OK.
  - chrisjsmith 15y ago
    That might be the graphics card. We purchased ATI FireGL cards to speed up VS performance and it worked!
    - dman 15y ago
      Any details about this? I am intrigued.
      - chrisjsmith 15y ago
        Went from Quadro 2 to ATI FireGL and the UI performance doubled. That is about it.
    - S_A_P 15y ago
      I will concur. Aside from a memory hog, VS2010 performance has been ok on my dev box which has an NVidia Quadro card in it. However, there are still some quirks in the environment that I attribute to WPF bugs. I have frequent redraw issues even after applying SP1. I also noticed that my installation has a whole lot of trouble with datasets and pulling up the designer file. TFS 2010 issues have been the most frustrating thus far though. They are better with SP1, but still exist.
      - chrisjsmith 15y ago
        I have frequent redraw issues as well with Quadro cards. Particularly when moving VS between screens (we have dual monitor setups). It sometimes whites out portions of it. Occasionally as well it just goes batshit and goes white and flickers as well. Oh and the performance sucks on low end Quadro cards. We upped them to ATI FireGL and they seem ok now. Still not happy about the situation.
taway990 15y ago
Do you have third party things installed like Resharper? My Visual Studio runs like a champ then again I don't install giant steaming piles of shit like Resharper, which has always struck me as something that was written by idiots or drunken monkeys. The fact that so many people install tons of add ins and extensions and then say 'Visual Studio perf sucks' baffles me. It is like installing a bunch of crap toolbars in IE and then saying 'IE perf sucks'.
- chrisjsmith 15y ago
  I did but I don't now. Your solution probably doesn't have 50 projects and quarter of a million lines of c# code in it (oh and another 1/2 million lines of XML and T-SQL).
- contextfree 15y ago
  well everyone seems to love Resharper - I think you're the first I've encountered who didn't like it. other than myself, I can't stand it.
  - chrisjsmith 15y ago
    I'm on a team of approximately 15 people. At least 11 of them hate it. I think R#'s hate is silent hate as far as publicising goes.

mariusmg 15y ago

There are lots of perf problems with SL on WP7 too. Anyway...from my point of view the biggest problem with the WPF design is that they didn't include the "draw it yourself GDI style" option.

chrisjsmith 15y ago
You can AFAIK in WPF (not SL which is a smaller lib subset). You can render it to a GDI Image and then convert that using CreateBitmapSourceFromHBitmap. It sucks though.