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While you're being downvoted, you're also not wrong. I have seen lots of people across reddit in large subreddits who are highly upvoted saying exactly this and
by Fogest 6y ago
While you're being downvoted, you're also not wrong. I have seen lots of people across reddit in large subreddits who are highly upvoted saying exactly this and not in a sarcastic manner. You also see it throughout Twitter.
There are many people who actively think it is okay for these protests to be violent and destructive because of what they are fighting for. But then these same people will ostracized people on the right who have wild protests.
It's like either violence and destruction is wrong when you're fighting for what you believe in, or it is right. People do often feels like breaking the law is okay when it is for their movement, but when it is for a movement they don't personally agree with it suddenly is not okay.
But this is exactly why protests, especially larger scale ones need to be monitored.
We have seen protests in many areas in America where destructive mobs start to descend on neighbourhoods at night to "protest". They will use things that make nose such as horns and cowbells and go through these neighbourhoods at night and cause a lot of conflict with the people in the neighborhoods.
I can completely understand why police are getting this footage, because oftentimes a lot of petty crimes gets reported along the path a "protest" took place.
You can find plenty of examples of these protests through neighbourhoods where someone has a Trump sign or American flag. Often those properties got some kind of vandalism or at the very least a mob chanting outside their house.
While it may seem controversial what the police are doing, it seems completely reasonable to request camera footage from people as some of the people in the protest committed crimes at some point during the day and that footage could be used to help identify them.
Protesting is one thing, but someone committing a crime should still face the consequences regardless of what they are fighting for.
Unfortunately if the police were requesting footage from protests that happened from Trump supporters I doubt we would see any news articles about it.
- TheRealSteel 6y ago>someone committing a crime should still face the consequences regardless of what they are fighting for. This was literally the entire point of the protests. Way to miss the point.
- Fogest 6y agoThe point of the protest is that they should be allowed to create destruction and violence and not have the police monitor them when they do that? You're not making a point here you're just dismissing me because I don't hold a view in support of protests that turn destructive.
- dang 6y agoPlease do not post ideological flamewar comments to HN. It's not what this site is for, regardless of which ideology you're battling for or against. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 6y agoWould you please stop posting ideological flamewar comments to HN? You've been doing it repeatedly lately. It's not what this site is for, regardless of which ideology you're battling for or against. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- furr 6y ago> if the police were requesting footage from protests that happened from Trump supporters I doubt we would see any news articles about it Police (and the FBI) requested footage of the Trump supporters' protest at the Capitol that left one police officer dead. There were LOTS of news articles about it.
- Fogest 6y agoI mean that's a bit of a silly comparison is it not? You're comparing a capital being stormed to a protest through a neighbourhood that I am referring to. Please don't use strawman arguments like that.
- furr 6y agoThat protest wasn't a protest? Let me know where the goalposts end up. What about the murderous right-wing protest in Charlottesville? Police and FBI also requested video, and it was widely reported. Does that count? Other examples include the anti-abortion protests, protests defending Confederate statues, and White supremacy protests if you're really that out of the loop. Left-wing protestors are 10X as likely to be arrested than the right. That inequality upsets you too, right? https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/soc4.12833 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/soc4.12833
- Fogest 6y agoAgain you're using a strawman. Please stop replying to me. You are now comparing a riot where people got killed to a protest. Again, this is not what I am talking about nor is it what the OP's article is talking about. They are talking about a regular protest, not one where someone got killed or the capital was taken over. Also you decided to focus on a single line of my post and your argument is a strawman. If you're going to engage in a discussion at least be genuine about it rather than letting your political bias derail a good conversation we could have had. > Left-wing protestors are 10X as likely to be arrested than the right. That inequality upsets you too, right? And don't use stupid stats like this. This does not upset me because you are inferring causation from statistical data that supports your bias. I could draw a different conclusion and say that the left are 10x as violent and thus arrested 10x as much. However I am not going to infer the cause of such stats as I don't know that is the reason, nor do you. You should try and be a bit more open minded and not let your bias affect your ability to look at statistics online. Just because a stat says something, doesn't mean it immediately supports your cause. It may just mean further research is needed to determine what is the actual cause.