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> Automakers and Comma are operating at completely different scales. Orders of magnitude apart. Super Cruise has 7 million miles driven [0]. Comma has 35 milli
by bko 6y ago
> Automakers and Comma are operating at completely different scales. Orders of magnitude apart.
Super Cruise has 7 million miles driven [0]. Comma has 35 million miles driven [1]
> Comma also incentivizes customers to keep quiet if the autopilot fails
How do you figure? The amount of weird hatred people have towards comma is much more than Cadillac. You can find literally hours of real life video of comma driving in cars. Professional reviewers like Consumer Reports don't have a pro comma bias. Comma doesn't have a PR guy or teams of lawyers. They're not a hundred billion dollar company. They're a dozen or so engineers. They have no influence over trade publications or blogs. I think people and reviewers would judge comma much more harshly than they would big auto.
> At minimum, automakers are working with safety regulators
> openpilot is developed in good faith to be compliant with FMVSS requirements and to follow industry standards of safety for Level 2 Driver Assistance Systems. In particular, we observe ISO26262 guidelines, including those from pertinent documents released by NHTSA. In addition, we impose strict coding guidelines (like MISRA C : 2012) on parts of openpilot that are safety relevant. We also perform software-in-the-loop, hardware-in-the-loop and in-vehicle tests before each software release. [2]
Please point me to the safety documents of the competitors.Most don't even have driver monitoring like comma.
[0] https://www.cadillac.com/world-of-cadillac/innovation/super-cruise https://www.cadillac.com/world-of-cadillac/innovation/super-...
[1] comma.ai
[2] https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/blob/master/SAFETY.md https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/blob/master/SAFETY.md
- redis_mlc 6y ago> Super Cruise has 7 million miles driven [0]. Comma has 35 million miles driven [1] I suggest you look at the quality of those miles. I used to live on one of the streets used by Google, and they were driving the same miles over and over in Mountain View. My street had zero traffic except during commute times.
- slg 6y ago>> Automakers and Comma are operating at completely different scales. Orders of magnitude apart. >Super Cruise has 7 million miles driven [0]. Comma has 35 million miles driven [1] Tesla has likely exceeded 4,000 million miles with Autopilot at this point versus Comma's 35. That certainly qualifies as "different scales" and "orders of magnitude apart". It is also frankly bizarre that the author of this article barely even mentions Tesla while treating Cadillac and Audi as the primary competitors for Comma.
- bko 6y agoI'm the author. I agree Tesla is miles ahead, but they're not offering the same product. Comma is comfortably level 2 self driving, essentially lane keep. They don't detect red lights or stop signs, the don't have navigation or even maps. It just keeps you going in a straight line, with or without lane markings. It's much more comparable to something like Super Cruise. My point was that lane keep assist technology exists as features in new cars. That's the target market and that's what comma should be benchmarked against. If you have a problem with comma's safety features you should have an even bigger issue with that of the large auto makers.
- slg 6y agoSorry if this comes off as rude, but this comment shows you don't really know what you are talking about. Tesla offers two driver assistance products. There is Autopilot and Full Self-Driving Capability. All Autopilot does is autosteering and adaptive cruise control[1]. The more advance stuff like detecting red lights and stop signs are part of the FSD package which needs to be purchased separately. Autopilot and Comma seem like natural fits for a direct comparison. [1] - https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot
- bko 6y agoThat's fair. I honestly didn't look into Tesla because I'm almost certain they're more advanced and a comparison would be kind of pointless. Tesla is better than comma.ai, but from what I've seen, comma.ai is at least comparable to the non-Tesla adaptive cruise control.