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> How will this help them make a choice if they don’t also have access to the writings of other therapists they might consider? Isn't it obvious? To put it in

by ardy42 6y ago

> How will this help them make a choice if they don’t also have access to the writings of other therapists they might consider? Isn't it obvious? To put it in mathy terms: if I have to choose from ten things, and I dislike 2. my chance of picking something I dislike is 0.2, if I can disqualify one of the disliked things up front, my chance of picking the remaining disliked thing is 0.11 (i.e. a big improvement).

zepto 6y ago
> if I have to choose from ten things, and I dislike 2 What’s obvious is that 10, and 2 are not something you know in advance. More importantly, I am guessing you don’t have any model that predictively associates whether you like person’s writing at a particular instance in time with their efficacy as a therapist.
- ardy42 6y ago
  > What’s obvious is that 10, and 2 are not something you know in advance. They don't have to be. The principle holds generally, as long as there's some choice out there you'd like.
  - zepto 6y ago
    Ok. More importantly, I am guessing you don’t have any model that predictively associates whether you like person’s writing at a particular instance in time with their efficacy as a therapist.
    - ardy42 6y ago
      > More importantly, I am guessing you don’t have any model that predictively associates whether you like person’s writing at a particular instance in time with their efficacy as a therapist. I don't but you're moving the goalposts and asking a different question. I was talking about personal preferences (e.g. like/dislike), and you're talking about "efficacy as a therapist." I'm also getting a vibe of a kind weird inversion from you, where it's the therapist's right to see a particular patient unless that patient can prove with a "model" that the therapist won't work for them.
      - zepto 6y ago
        > I don't but you're moving the goalposts and asking a different question. I was talking about personal preferences (e.g. like/dislike), and you're talking about "efficacy as a therapist." No. You are advancing the position that the interests of people selecting therapists are served by newspapers publishing articles about their writings. I think that if you ask people whether they would prefer a more effective therapist over a less effective one, most people would say they would prefer the more effective one. Effectiveness as a therapist is part of how people form preference of therapists. Excluding it is arbitrary. Nowhere do I suggest anything about therapists having any right to see any particular client. That idea is competely made up by you.

by ardy42 6y ago

zepto 6y ago

> if I have to choose from ten things, and I dislike 2 What’s obvious is that 10, and 2 are not something you know in advance. More importantly, I am guessing you don’t have any model that predictively associates whether you like person’s writing at a particular instance in time with their efficacy as a therapist.

ardy42 6y ago
> What’s obvious is that 10, and 2 are not something you know in advance. They don't have to be. The principle holds generally, as long as there's some choice out there you'd like.
- zepto 6y ago
  Ok. More importantly, I am guessing you don’t have any model that predictively associates whether you like person’s writing at a particular instance in time with their efficacy as a therapist.
  - ardy42 6y ago
    > More importantly, I am guessing you don’t have any model that predictively associates whether you like person’s writing at a particular instance in time with their efficacy as a therapist. I don't but you're moving the goalposts and asking a different question. I was talking about personal preferences (e.g. like/dislike), and you're talking about "efficacy as a therapist." I'm also getting a vibe of a kind weird inversion from you, where it's the therapist's right to see a particular patient unless that patient can prove with a "model" that the therapist won't work for them.
    - zepto 6y ago
      > I don't but you're moving the goalposts and asking a different question. I was talking about personal preferences (e.g. like/dislike), and you're talking about "efficacy as a therapist." No. You are advancing the position that the interests of people selecting therapists are served by newspapers publishing articles about their writings. I think that if you ask people whether they would prefer a more effective therapist over a less effective one, most people would say they would prefer the more effective one. Effectiveness as a therapist is part of how people form preference of therapists. Excluding it is arbitrary. Nowhere do I suggest anything about therapists having any right to see any particular client. That idea is competely made up by you.