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To clarify, they want UBI that only applies to people 21 year and older, you could just have said it straight out instead of trying to make it sound worse than

To clarify, they want UBI that only applies to people 21 year and older, you could just have said it straight out instead of trying to make it sound worse than it is. Edit: damnyou edited out all his posts. He originally called them out as eugenicists and racists for the style of UBI program they support.

damnyou 6y ago
Fuck this place.
- thinkingemote 6y ago
  In the states medicine is primarily private and unlike most of Europe not classed as government assistance so you'd use the 10K to pay medical insurance. In the UK your point would be more applicable, UBI brings a lot of uncertainty for healthcare (amongst other things!) Waste management, environment and policing are all things which benefit from a government. Tax seems to be more of a horror to Americans than Europeans and UBI seems to me to be, in the states a tax avoidance strategy, and in the UK it's a strategy to improving social security. Both views miss some complexion
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- username90 6y ago
  > What if your medical needs are currently more than $10,000/year and you don't have another source of income? Well, you're welcome to simply die. His proposal also includes universal healthcare similar to Switzerlands system. People aren't left to die in Switzerland.
  - Rebelgecko 6y ago
    Isn't Switzerland's healthcare system basically Obamacare but with subsidies that scale up more quickly?
    - username90 6y ago
      Everyone is forced to buy the same basic health insurance in Switzerland, that is what makes it universal healthcare instead of just another health insurance. It is subsidised depending on your income, but the UBI version would just be a part of your UBI that automatically pays for the health insurance so subsidised in a similar manner. You can add extra services above the basic insurance, but the basic insurance covers the same things as typical European universal healthcare so there is no need to.
- 6gvONxR4sf7o 6y ago
  > Murray is a eugenicist. Siskind openly endorses Murray's UBI proposal. A man is known by the company he keeps. This is a really unhealthy stance. If you agree with one thing someone thinks, you agree with all of it? Are we supposed to find the tiniest bubbles of people who agree with us on everything and if they stray we cast them out?

damnyou 6y ago

Fuck this place.

thinkingemote 6y ago
In the states medicine is primarily private and unlike most of Europe not classed as government assistance so you'd use the 10K to pay medical insurance. In the UK your point would be more applicable, UBI brings a lot of uncertainty for healthcare (amongst other things!) Waste management, environment and policing are all things which benefit from a government. Tax seems to be more of a horror to Americans than Europeans and UBI seems to me to be, in the states a tax avoidance strategy, and in the UK it's a strategy to improving social security. Both views miss some complexion
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username90 6y ago
> What if your medical needs are currently more than $10,000/year and you don't have another source of income? Well, you're welcome to simply die. His proposal also includes universal healthcare similar to Switzerlands system. People aren't left to die in Switzerland.
- Rebelgecko 6y ago
  Isn't Switzerland's healthcare system basically Obamacare but with subsidies that scale up more quickly?
  - username90 6y ago
    Everyone is forced to buy the same basic health insurance in Switzerland, that is what makes it universal healthcare instead of just another health insurance. It is subsidised depending on your income, but the UBI version would just be a part of your UBI that automatically pays for the health insurance so subsidised in a similar manner. You can add extra services above the basic insurance, but the basic insurance covers the same things as typical European universal healthcare so there is no need to.
6gvONxR4sf7o 6y ago
> Murray is a eugenicist. Siskind openly endorses Murray's UBI proposal. A man is known by the company he keeps. This is a really unhealthy stance. If you agree with one thing someone thinks, you agree with all of it? Are we supposed to find the tiniest bubbles of people who agree with us on everything and if they stray we cast them out?