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LastPass costs $36 per year. Operating on the principle of being the customer and not the product, that seems very reasonable for a secure way to store and shar

LastPass costs $36 per year. Operating on the principle of being the customer and not the product, that seems very reasonable for a secure way to store and share the keys to my digital life. That said, it does make it a little bit harder for me to onboard my friends and family when they ask. One of the selling points has always been "Yes, you can use it on your phone and laptop" and "no, it doesn't cost anything".

levosmetalo 6y ago
LastPass is a commodity. There are many free or open-source alternatives that are as reliable and as secure as LastPass that provide similar functionality. It's hard to justify even the small price for a commodity service unless you provide the best possible solution, and sometimes even that is not enough. I switched from LastPass premium that costed 15$ per year a few years ago to Bitwarden because LastPass could recognize password fields on all web pages, while free Bitwarden just works everywhere.
- bognition 6y ago
  The functionality is a commodity but what about the UX? MP3 players were fairly common when the iPod came out but the iPod crushed all the competition? Why because the UX was simply better. Without a doubt the password manager with the best UX is 1Password. Last year ago I got my tech-averse partner to set it up on her phone, the entire process took about 10 minutes and then it was done. She's never asked for me help or support, once she got things working its simply continued to work. I've since setup it up across my family and my pre-teen child is also using it without a hitch. From a holistic perspective I love that I can manage multiple vaults. Everyone has a private personal vault that is only available to them and we have a bunch of shared vaults for things like xbox and netflix passwords. I've never used BitWarden so I cant comment on the UX but $60 a year for 1password is well worth it. I can rest easy knowing that everyone in my family has good password hygiene.
  - syntheticnature 6y ago
    I was a paid Lastpass user who switched to Bitwarden a few years back because of the UX/functionality issues Lastpass had been developing. I've heard 1password has better UX; I'd describe Bitwarden's UX as similar to the Lastpass of 5-7 years ago.
    - erikerikson 6y ago
      I transitioned to 1Password after many years of LastPass and have been quite pleased. I continue to harbor some concerns about the emergency workflows (what happens in case of death or disablement) but otherwise it's just been solid. LastPass felt, on the other hand, like it was increasingly neglected.
    - neltnerb 6y ago
      Same, I was a paid LastPass user and the Firefox add-on was so bad that it was worth negative money. They clearly didn't care.
    - joejoebob 6y ago
      I really like the 1Password UX. Also, they're new integration with Safari 14 on macOS is also great.
  - Tomte 6y ago
    > Without a doubt the password manager with the best UX is 1Password. I doubt that. Navigating the sync options and finding one that works with Android phone, iPad and Windows PC was impossible. Throw in two vault formats (with implications for which sync option can work), and it's a mess. That was the paid standalone version, not the subscription model (that was when I finally jumped ship).
    - jes 6y ago
      I’ve used 1Password for years. I would pay more for greater simplicity.
    - pseudalopex 6y ago
- OminousWeapons 6y ago
  I've been debating making this switch myself. How time consuming was the transition? Did you have to do much manual data entry or does bitwarden have the ability to reliably import lastpass data?
  - notesinthefield 6y ago
    Looks like it does : https://bitwarden.com/help/article/import-from-lastpass/ https://bitwarden.com/help/article/import-from-lastpass/
  - nabilhat 6y ago
    Bitwarden is more reliable at importing data exported from Lastpass than Lastpass is at exporting your data. Export bugs happen, but their forum and /r/lastpass are always quick to come up with workarounds for Lastpass bugs. Shared passwords aren't included in the Lastpass export, at least at the time I last exported from Lastpass. The only functionality I do miss from Lastpass is the option to generate the short pronounceable strings I use to create usernames, like the one I'm using now.
  - c0wb0yc0d3r 6y ago
    I switched around the beginning of the year. There is a [KB article](https://bitwarden.com/help/article/import-from-lastpass/ https://bitwarden.com/help/article/import-from-lastpass/) about exporting your LastPass vault and then importing it into Bitwarden. It only took a minute or 2. The most annoying thing for me is that Bitwarden doesn't have support for all of the extra "credential types" that LastPass has. They are still imported, but everything that isn't supported is imported as a secure note. So far the only issues I have had logging in anywhere has been logging into my firefox account (in a new browser), and home assistant.
reader_mode 6y ago
On the flip side they offered very little value in premium compared to free (for me) so there was no reason to upgrade even when I wanted to pay (I did pay for 2FA but TBH o could live without it)
humps 6y ago
I used to subscribe, then the service was acquired and the price doubled so I stopped subscribing and relied on the free tier. With this announcement I think it's time to move on (probably to Bitwarden)
- SubiculumCode 6y ago
  I just did.
- Tijdreiziger 6y ago
  Same here.
wegs 6y ago
I wouldn't pay $36/year. I kinda feel like the price point for these things is set wrong, though. What you want is a higher price point which gets you /everything/. I pay $1200 per year for bandwidth. If I needed to pay a couple hundred bucks more for access to everything (online newspapers, LastPass, online office suites, etc.), I'd gladly do so. LastPass should have 250 million customers, not 25 million, each paying $3.60 each, not $36. Most should be inactive, as part of some kind of subscription bundle. Kinda like a more democratic, decentralized version of Prime. From posts here, though, Bitwarden seems more reasonable. I trust open source more, and it's cheaper.
Ecstatify 6y ago
It’s ridiculously expensive. I get Office 365 with 1TB of storage for €6 per month. Office is just as secure as lastpass. I bought Enpass(wouldn’t recommend as they moved to a subscription model) and store everything on OneDrive. Paying $3 per month to store tiny text files is crazy.
- DeusExMachina 6y ago
  I often see comments like this one that misunderstand value for how something is achieved. Value is decided by the market according to the utility of the service. I happily pay $22 per year for Pinboard to keep a few bookmarks with tags. That's also storing "tiny text files" but I could not care less. I could even implement something similar myself. And yet, I find the value it provides worth paying. Another, more extreme example. I am part of a $5000 business program. Last week, I got a single piece of advice that I consider already paid for the entire program. The delivery was 20 minutes long. It was not even something original invented by the lecturer, but it can be found in some books. And again, I don't care. The value is in the impact, not in how the advice that was discovered or delivered.
  - Ecstatify 6y ago
    I didn't misunderstand "value for how something was achieved" I said it was expensive. https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/16/22178026/microsoft-authenticator-autofill-feature-password-manager https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/16/22178026/microsoft-authe... Microsoft have launched a beta password manager ------------------------------- Lastpass (€3 per month) - Password Manager - 1GB of encrypted file storage ------------------------------- Office 365 (€6 per month) - Beta Password Manager - Office Suite - 1 TB Storage
    - notyourday 6y ago
      A year from now: "I do not understand why the only companies that exist are Google, Apple and Microsoft? Where is the competition?"
vultour 6y ago
KeePass database stored in Dropbox is free.
- tobib 6y ago
  I was a happy user of that workflow until I started working for an organization that blocked Dropbox but not any of the browser plugin based password managers. Also while free, arguably the UX is not very good especially on mobile, unless Keepass integrates the way Lastpass, 1Password, et al do. I cannot imagine convincing any of my non-tech friends to go this route.
  - socksy 6y ago
    keepass2android supports autofill across apps and is something of of a lifesaver for me, but I can't speak for iOS apps
  - BugWatch 6y ago
    KeePass is extensible. IIRC, with addon(s), your encrypted DB file can be stored on your Google drive, or even your own (or company's) server.
- fencepost 6y ago
  Interestingly this is basically how 1Password did password sync for years - not a Keepass database, but a 1Password folder structure stored within Dropbox saving a bunch of little text files. They added other synced storage options over time before turning up their own cloud service, but third party sync was where they started.
chousuke 6y ago
It's ridiculously overpriced for what essentially amounts to storing a tiny binary blob on a server somewhere and making sure it's backed up. I would've been happy to continue paying 12 USD / year for that service, but at triple the cost? I'm now on BitWarden.
- dehrmann 6y ago
  I used to use LastPass, but its UI was incredibly buggy on Firefox and there were no signs of improvement, so I switched Bitwarden. That said, you're not really paying for the storage, you're paying for the apps and plugins.
- Spivak 6y ago
  I mean the value prop is the software functionality, not the storage. You think lastpass/1password are funding their development with a markup on storage? I can get the argument that it’s not worth $36 but not because of storage costs.
  - blaser-waffle 6y ago
    So... what are they funding it with? Data mining?
squaresmile 6y ago
I agree with other comments that in the current market, Lastpass is not worth it at $36/y. The way they increased the price is arguably more annoying than the price tag. I happily paid for Lastpass at $12/y. Logmein raised price and I switched to free. Logmein limited free capabilities and I will switch to Bitwarden or 1Password and pay them. I'm not staying with Lastpass to get the rug pulled out under me the third time.
- MrDOS 6y ago
  I switched to Bitwarden in early 2019. The migration was really easy, and I was surprised to find that it was accurate, too. Bitwarden has its flaws, but I'm happy with it.
- fencepost 6y ago
  I'm pretty much in exactly the same boat, plus also looking at using separate systems to segregate my personal and personally-owned business accounts.
- klausjensen 6y ago
  It looks to me like 1Password has the same pricetag as Lastpass: 36USD/y.
  - Technetium 6y ago
    At least they've kept it the same price for years https://web.archive.org/web/20160915083507/https://1password.com/sign-up/ https://web.archive.org/web/20160915083507/https://1password...
ufmace 6y ago
It was definitely starting to feel a little pricey for how terrible their UI is and how little interest they seemed to have in fixing it. What really got me to switch to Bitwarden though was how it started "recommending" that I change my master password with a modal popup every single time I unlocked my account.
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levosmetalo 6y ago

LastPass is a commodity. There are many free or open-source alternatives that are as reliable and as secure as LastPass that provide similar functionality. It's hard to justify even the small price for a commodity service unless you provide the best possible solution, and sometimes even that is not enough. I switched from LastPass premium that costed 15$ per year a few years ago to Bitwarden because LastPass could recognize password fields on all web pages, while free Bitwarden just works everywhere.

bognition 6y ago
The functionality is a commodity but what about the UX? MP3 players were fairly common when the iPod came out but the iPod crushed all the competition? Why because the UX was simply better. Without a doubt the password manager with the best UX is 1Password. Last year ago I got my tech-averse partner to set it up on her phone, the entire process took about 10 minutes and then it was done. She's never asked for me help or support, once she got things working its simply continued to work. I've since setup it up across my family and my pre-teen child is also using it without a hitch. From a holistic perspective I love that I can manage multiple vaults. Everyone has a private personal vault that is only available to them and we have a bunch of shared vaults for things like xbox and netflix passwords. I've never used BitWarden so I cant comment on the UX but $60 a year for 1password is well worth it. I can rest easy knowing that everyone in my family has good password hygiene.
- syntheticnature 6y ago
  I was a paid Lastpass user who switched to Bitwarden a few years back because of the UX/functionality issues Lastpass had been developing. I've heard 1password has better UX; I'd describe Bitwarden's UX as similar to the Lastpass of 5-7 years ago.
  - erikerikson 6y ago
    I transitioned to 1Password after many years of LastPass and have been quite pleased. I continue to harbor some concerns about the emergency workflows (what happens in case of death or disablement) but otherwise it's just been solid. LastPass felt, on the other hand, like it was increasingly neglected.
  - neltnerb 6y ago
    Same, I was a paid LastPass user and the Firefox add-on was so bad that it was worth negative money. They clearly didn't care.
  - joejoebob 6y ago
    I really like the 1Password UX. Also, they're new integration with Safari 14 on macOS is also great.
- Tomte 6y ago
  > Without a doubt the password manager with the best UX is 1Password. I doubt that. Navigating the sync options and finding one that works with Android phone, iPad and Windows PC was impossible. Throw in two vault formats (with implications for which sync option can work), and it's a mess. That was the paid standalone version, not the subscription model (that was when I finally jumped ship).
  - jes 6y ago
    I’ve used 1Password for years. I would pay more for greater simplicity.
  - pseudalopex 6y ago
OminousWeapons 6y ago
I've been debating making this switch myself. How time consuming was the transition? Did you have to do much manual data entry or does bitwarden have the ability to reliably import lastpass data?
- notesinthefield 6y ago
  Looks like it does : https://bitwarden.com/help/article/import-from-lastpass/ https://bitwarden.com/help/article/import-from-lastpass/
- nabilhat 6y ago
  Bitwarden is more reliable at importing data exported from Lastpass than Lastpass is at exporting your data. Export bugs happen, but their forum and /r/lastpass are always quick to come up with workarounds for Lastpass bugs. Shared passwords aren't included in the Lastpass export, at least at the time I last exported from Lastpass. The only functionality I do miss from Lastpass is the option to generate the short pronounceable strings I use to create usernames, like the one I'm using now.
- c0wb0yc0d3r 6y ago
  I switched around the beginning of the year. There is a [KB article](https://bitwarden.com/help/article/import-from-lastpass/ https://bitwarden.com/help/article/import-from-lastpass/) about exporting your LastPass vault and then importing it into Bitwarden. It only took a minute or 2. The most annoying thing for me is that Bitwarden doesn't have support for all of the extra "credential types" that LastPass has. They are still imported, but everything that isn't supported is imported as a secure note. So far the only issues I have had logging in anywhere has been logging into my firefox account (in a new browser), and home assistant.

reader_mode 6y ago

On the flip side they offered very little value in premium compared to free (for me) so there was no reason to upgrade even when I wanted to pay (I did pay for 2FA but TBH o could live without it)

humps 6y ago

I used to subscribe, then the service was acquired and the price doubled so I stopped subscribing and relied on the free tier. With this announcement I think it's time to move on (probably to Bitwarden)

SubiculumCode 6y ago
I just did.
Tijdreiziger 6y ago
Same here.

wegs 6y ago

I wouldn't pay $36/year. I kinda feel like the price point for these things is set wrong, though. What you want is a higher price point which gets you /everything/. I pay $1200 per year for bandwidth. If I needed to pay a couple hundred bucks more for access to everything (online newspapers, LastPass, online office suites, etc.), I'd gladly do so. LastPass should have 250 million customers, not 25 million, each paying $3.60 each, not $36. Most should be inactive, as part of some kind of subscription bundle. Kinda like a more democratic, decentralized version of Prime. From posts here, though, Bitwarden seems more reasonable. I trust open source more, and it's cheaper.

Ecstatify 6y ago

It’s ridiculously expensive. I get Office 365 with 1TB of storage for €6 per month. Office is just as secure as lastpass. I bought Enpass(wouldn’t recommend as they moved to a subscription model) and store everything on OneDrive. Paying $3 per month to store tiny text files is crazy.

DeusExMachina 6y ago
I often see comments like this one that misunderstand value for how something is achieved. Value is decided by the market according to the utility of the service. I happily pay $22 per year for Pinboard to keep a few bookmarks with tags. That's also storing "tiny text files" but I could not care less. I could even implement something similar myself. And yet, I find the value it provides worth paying. Another, more extreme example. I am part of a $5000 business program. Last week, I got a single piece of advice that I consider already paid for the entire program. The delivery was 20 minutes long. It was not even something original invented by the lecturer, but it can be found in some books. And again, I don't care. The value is in the impact, not in how the advice that was discovered or delivered.
- Ecstatify 6y ago
  I didn't misunderstand "value for how something was achieved" I said it was expensive. https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/16/22178026/microsoft-authenticator-autofill-feature-password-manager https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/16/22178026/microsoft-authe... Microsoft have launched a beta password manager ------------------------------- Lastpass (€3 per month) - Password Manager - 1GB of encrypted file storage ------------------------------- Office 365 (€6 per month) - Beta Password Manager - Office Suite - 1 TB Storage
  - notyourday 6y ago
    A year from now: "I do not understand why the only companies that exist are Google, Apple and Microsoft? Where is the competition?"

vultour 6y ago

KeePass database stored in Dropbox is free.

tobib 6y ago
I was a happy user of that workflow until I started working for an organization that blocked Dropbox but not any of the browser plugin based password managers. Also while free, arguably the UX is not very good especially on mobile, unless Keepass integrates the way Lastpass, 1Password, et al do. I cannot imagine convincing any of my non-tech friends to go this route.
- socksy 6y ago
  keepass2android supports autofill across apps and is something of of a lifesaver for me, but I can't speak for iOS apps
- BugWatch 6y ago
  KeePass is extensible. IIRC, with addon(s), your encrypted DB file can be stored on your Google drive, or even your own (or company's) server.
fencepost 6y ago
Interestingly this is basically how 1Password did password sync for years - not a Keepass database, but a 1Password folder structure stored within Dropbox saving a bunch of little text files. They added other synced storage options over time before turning up their own cloud service, but third party sync was where they started.

chousuke 6y ago

It's ridiculously overpriced for what essentially amounts to storing a tiny binary blob on a server somewhere and making sure it's backed up. I would've been happy to continue paying 12 USD / year for that service, but at triple the cost? I'm now on BitWarden.

dehrmann 6y ago
I used to use LastPass, but its UI was incredibly buggy on Firefox and there were no signs of improvement, so I switched Bitwarden. That said, you're not really paying for the storage, you're paying for the apps and plugins.
Spivak 6y ago
I mean the value prop is the software functionality, not the storage. You think lastpass/1password are funding their development with a markup on storage? I can get the argument that it’s not worth $36 but not because of storage costs.
- blaser-waffle 6y ago
  So... what are they funding it with? Data mining?

squaresmile 6y ago

I agree with other comments that in the current market, Lastpass is not worth it at $36/y. The way they increased the price is arguably more annoying than the price tag. I happily paid for Lastpass at $12/y. Logmein raised price and I switched to free. Logmein limited free capabilities and I will switch to Bitwarden or 1Password and pay them. I'm not staying with Lastpass to get the rug pulled out under me the third time.

MrDOS 6y ago
I switched to Bitwarden in early 2019. The migration was really easy, and I was surprised to find that it was accurate, too. Bitwarden has its flaws, but I'm happy with it.
fencepost 6y ago
I'm pretty much in exactly the same boat, plus also looking at using separate systems to segregate my personal and personally-owned business accounts.
klausjensen 6y ago
It looks to me like 1Password has the same pricetag as Lastpass: 36USD/y.
- Technetium 6y ago
  At least they've kept it the same price for years https://web.archive.org/web/20160915083507/https://1password.com/sign-up/ https://web.archive.org/web/20160915083507/https://1password...

ufmace 6y ago

It was definitely starting to feel a little pricey for how terrible their UI is and how little interest they seemed to have in fixing it. What really got me to switch to Bitwarden though was how it started "recommending" that I change my master password with a modal popup every single time I unlocked my account.

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