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The title is slightly off. The limit is to a single device type, not device. If you only use LastPass on 2 devices of the same type (on your desktop and your l

The title is slightly off. The limit is to a single device type, not device. If you only use LastPass on 2 devices of the same type (on your desktop and your laptop or if you only use it on your Mobile and your Tablet) you will be fine to stay on Free, However if you use it on your Desktop and your Mobile (like me) you will need to swap password managers or pay up for the service. Before LogMeIn brought them the service was free on "Computers" but you had to pay up for Mobile (Although you were able to access your vault via their website, the mobile app just made it easier). Guess it's time for me to invest my time into actually settings up and exporting my passwords to something like KeePass (I've been meaning to do it ever since LogMeIn brought them, I was just far too lazy to do it until now). $30~ for a year (the offer they included in the notice) aint that bad, but I just don't like having the rug pulled from under me and would rather support something like KeePass than support LastPass. Maybe I will change my mind after I've had some time to digest the news and play with KeePass (and its alt's).

bootlooped 6y ago
FYI Bitwarden is only $10 a year. Before Bitwarden I used a combination of Keepass and Google Drive to sync all my passwords between devices. That was a workable solution, but Bitwarden is certainly easier, and I think more polished too.
- Crosseye_Jack 6y ago
  Cheers for the info, I'll look into it. I'm not against paying for the service (I've used the hell out of LastPass) I just not a fan them pulling my use case from under me.
  - encom 6y ago
    That will always be a risk, as long as you rely on cloud services. I started using Lastpass as well, but moved to Keepass as soon as they were eaten up by Logmein. I moved to Keepass and I keep the keyfile on OwnCloud. It works very well, and even better than Lastpass (at least as it was when I last used it). Keepass has actual desktop clients, so you don't have to use a janky web-app.
    - Crosseye_Jack 6y ago
      >That will always be a risk, as long as you rely on cloud services. True, but it seems that Bitwarden offers the option to self host which could help mitigate that. However as a paying customer you have more of a leg to stand on if the company does try and pull the rug from under you. As for LastPass, I rarely used the "WebApp Vault" (Only to copy my passwords for native apps on my desktop) and did it all via the context menu / LastPass button injected into the User/Password fields in the browser. Their iOS app was very handy (As my local supermarket self scan app keeps logging me out) as for most app's it would offer autocomplete. So I'm going to be looking more into the mobile intergration then the Desktop intergration (as its far easier for me to C+P between things on Desktop then it is for me on Mobile.) I am going to give KeePass a try but I've not settled on which system I will actually switch to yet.
- cmeacham98 6y ago
  I should also note that the free bitwarden does support syncing across unlimited devices (and device types), and can be self-hosted if you like that kind of thing. The premium version unlocks additional features like 1GB of encrypted file storage, a built-in TOTP authenticator, and priority support - but I was using the free version for multiple years prior to paying and it was great.
- baal80spam 6y ago
  To me, the unbeatable feature of Keepass is the fact that I'm not limited to user/password combination. I use it to store important notes and even files.
  - CDSlice 6y ago
    Bitwarden has the ability to store secure notes as well. I don't think it has the ability to store arbitrary files though.
    - c0wb0yc0d3r 6y ago
      [You can](https://bitwarden.com/help/article/attachments/ https://bitwarden.com/help/article/attachments/), but it's a premium feature.
  - n4r9 6y ago
    Also the fact that you can avoid the cloud entirely by using a peer to peer sync tool.
  - q845712 6y ago
    last pass also has secure notes
- PufPufPuf 6y ago
  Bitwarden is awesome. I use the free version and it covers all that I need. All the clients and the server are open-source, you can self-host it for free, and there are even alternative server implementations like https://github.com/dani-garcia/bitwarden_rs https://github.com/dani-garcia/bitwarden_rs
glenneroo 6y ago
I don't know why the title was neutered, it even says in the 3rd sentence: > Starting March 16, 2021, LastPass Free will only include access on unlimited devices of one type.
- floatingatoll 6y ago
  I read it as editorialized, not neutered, in order to be more inflammatory and improve the chances of people agreeing with the OP.
ajosh 6y ago
I've been using KeePassXC for a few years now. Before this, I was using LastPass and then before that, the original KeePass. Feature-wise, KeePassXC does a really good job replacing and going beyond LastPass. It can have folders, it generates passwords, it can hold TOTP (2FA) tokens and it can even hold SSH keys acting as your SSH agent. Having your password safe be an SSH agent is a really nice feature which means less copying passwords around. The browser plug-ins have worked well for me as well. I like that it can use any file sync tool for storing the key database - similar to why I like Joplin for note taking. I also like that there are many different clients for it since it is an open standard. To keep things secure you can use a password plus a key file. As long as you keep the keyfile only on the devices or on separate sync services, it raises the bar of security quite a lot. There are KeePass clients on Andriod (Keepass2Android and KeePassDX) as well as iOS (Keepassium and another that I forgot the name of). All of the mobile clients support filling passwords. I have them all looking at the same file share and have not had any issues with corruption or file sync. I have it configured to immediately save all changes to disk and it writes and merges conflict files automatically as needed. There are a few areas that it isn't as strong. First is sharing passwords - it has a feature for it but I haven't actually tried it out yet. Since you need to have the shared file ahead of time, you're really relying on your file sync provider to share that part of things. Second, the integration between programs works well but it isn't as seamless as a cloud service would be. For example, prompts will pop up in KeePassXC when there is a request to access a new password by a website. I believe this is probably more secure but it is an extra thing to come up when auto-filling passwords. I have yet to try bitwarden but I would guess that sharing and lower-friction in web browsers would work better with it since those were the key benefits of LastPass when I'd used it.
notatoad 6y ago
>would rather support something like KeePass than support LastPass. curious what "support" means in this context, as keepass is free. do you donate or otherwise contribute to the project, or does support just mean use?
- Crosseye_Jack 6y ago
  At this moment in time, I'm not against paying for my password manager as it has been handy to me. However because I feel that LastPass has pulled their product from me with a demand to pay up to continue to use it, it feels different to me then it would be for me to opt into a paid account because I liked the service but the free account would probally work just fine for my use case (The current free tier of Bitwarden for example). So at this point in time I would rather switch providers and give them the 30 bucks LastPass are now demanding for my use case out of the sheer principle of the matter. So If I do Swap to KeePass or KeePassXC I will be donating that 30 bucks to them. If I swap to something like Bitwarden I'll pay them for what ever package is as close to that $30.
SubiculumCode 6y ago
The whole distinction between mobile and computer is such a frustratingly artificial concept, a concept that has been imposed for monetization and control.

bootlooped 6y ago

FYI Bitwarden is only $10 a year. Before Bitwarden I used a combination of Keepass and Google Drive to sync all my passwords between devices. That was a workable solution, but Bitwarden is certainly easier, and I think more polished too.

Crosseye_Jack 6y ago
Cheers for the info, I'll look into it. I'm not against paying for the service (I've used the hell out of LastPass) I just not a fan them pulling my use case from under me.
- encom 6y ago
  That will always be a risk, as long as you rely on cloud services. I started using Lastpass as well, but moved to Keepass as soon as they were eaten up by Logmein. I moved to Keepass and I keep the keyfile on OwnCloud. It works very well, and even better than Lastpass (at least as it was when I last used it). Keepass has actual desktop clients, so you don't have to use a janky web-app.
  - Crosseye_Jack 6y ago
    >That will always be a risk, as long as you rely on cloud services. True, but it seems that Bitwarden offers the option to self host which could help mitigate that. However as a paying customer you have more of a leg to stand on if the company does try and pull the rug from under you. As for LastPass, I rarely used the "WebApp Vault" (Only to copy my passwords for native apps on my desktop) and did it all via the context menu / LastPass button injected into the User/Password fields in the browser. Their iOS app was very handy (As my local supermarket self scan app keeps logging me out) as for most app's it would offer autocomplete. So I'm going to be looking more into the mobile intergration then the Desktop intergration (as its far easier for me to C+P between things on Desktop then it is for me on Mobile.) I am going to give KeePass a try but I've not settled on which system I will actually switch to yet.
cmeacham98 6y ago
I should also note that the free bitwarden does support syncing across unlimited devices (and device types), and can be self-hosted if you like that kind of thing. The premium version unlocks additional features like 1GB of encrypted file storage, a built-in TOTP authenticator, and priority support - but I was using the free version for multiple years prior to paying and it was great.
baal80spam 6y ago
To me, the unbeatable feature of Keepass is the fact that I'm not limited to user/password combination. I use it to store important notes and even files.
- CDSlice 6y ago
  Bitwarden has the ability to store secure notes as well. I don't think it has the ability to store arbitrary files though.
  - c0wb0yc0d3r 6y ago
    [You can](https://bitwarden.com/help/article/attachments/ https://bitwarden.com/help/article/attachments/), but it's a premium feature.
- n4r9 6y ago
  Also the fact that you can avoid the cloud entirely by using a peer to peer sync tool.
- q845712 6y ago
  last pass also has secure notes
PufPufPuf 6y ago
Bitwarden is awesome. I use the free version and it covers all that I need. All the clients and the server are open-source, you can self-host it for free, and there are even alternative server implementations like https://github.com/dani-garcia/bitwarden_rs https://github.com/dani-garcia/bitwarden_rs

glenneroo 6y ago

I don't know why the title was neutered, it even says in the 3rd sentence: > Starting March 16, 2021, LastPass Free will only include access on unlimited devices of one type.

floatingatoll 6y ago
I read it as editorialized, not neutered, in order to be more inflammatory and improve the chances of people agreeing with the OP.

ajosh 6y ago

I've been using KeePassXC for a few years now. Before this, I was using LastPass and then before that, the original KeePass. Feature-wise, KeePassXC does a really good job replacing and going beyond LastPass. It can have folders, it generates passwords, it can hold TOTP (2FA) tokens and it can even hold SSH keys acting as your SSH agent. Having your password safe be an SSH agent is a really nice feature which means less copying passwords around. The browser plug-ins have worked well for me as well. I like that it can use any file sync tool for storing the key database - similar to why I like Joplin for note taking. I also like that there are many different clients for it since it is an open standard. To keep things secure you can use a password plus a key file. As long as you keep the keyfile only on the devices or on separate sync services, it raises the bar of security quite a lot. There are KeePass clients on Andriod (Keepass2Android and KeePassDX) as well as iOS (Keepassium and another that I forgot the name of). All of the mobile clients support filling passwords. I have them all looking at the same file share and have not had any issues with corruption or file sync. I have it configured to immediately save all changes to disk and it writes and merges conflict files automatically as needed. There are a few areas that it isn't as strong. First is sharing passwords - it has a feature for it but I haven't actually tried it out yet. Since you need to have the shared file ahead of time, you're really relying on your file sync provider to share that part of things. Second, the integration between programs works well but it isn't as seamless as a cloud service would be. For example, prompts will pop up in KeePassXC when there is a request to access a new password by a website. I believe this is probably more secure but it is an extra thing to come up when auto-filling passwords. I have yet to try bitwarden but I would guess that sharing and lower-friction in web browsers would work better with it since those were the key benefits of LastPass when I'd used it.

notatoad 6y ago

>would rather support something like KeePass than support LastPass. curious what "support" means in this context, as keepass is free. do you donate or otherwise contribute to the project, or does support just mean use?

Crosseye_Jack 6y ago
At this moment in time, I'm not against paying for my password manager as it has been handy to me. However because I feel that LastPass has pulled their product from me with a demand to pay up to continue to use it, it feels different to me then it would be for me to opt into a paid account because I liked the service but the free account would probally work just fine for my use case (The current free tier of Bitwarden for example). So at this point in time I would rather switch providers and give them the 30 bucks LastPass are now demanding for my use case out of the sheer principle of the matter. So If I do Swap to KeePass or KeePassXC I will be donating that 30 bucks to them. If I swap to something like Bitwarden I'll pay them for what ever package is as close to that $30.

SubiculumCode 6y ago

The whole distinction between mobile and computer is such a frustratingly artificial concept, a concept that has been imposed for monetization and control.