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Reddit also has purchased up/downvotes (through click-farms/bots), opaque moderation, and the real-time public display of these promote mobs and groupthink even

Reddit also has purchased up/downvotes (through click-farms/bots), opaque moderation, and the real-time public display of these promote mobs and groupthink even if it were actually organic. I don't think for a second their algorithms do a good enough job of mitigating these clickfarms.

s_dev 6y ago
There is an arms race between reddit admins and spammers in general -- who will ruin any platform with eyeballs on it. This article does not address that all -- vote fuzzification apparently only serves "brigading" -- thast not what it's for. It's for spammers so they can't judge the effectivness of their bots. The author misses the wood from the trees. I'm not seeing valid criticisms either which means he didnt' even Google to see what others said of reddit, e.g. poor moderation tools for large subs.
asidiali 6y ago
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1912.04206.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1912.04206.pdf
- goalieca 6y ago
  > Even though the environment of r/unpopularopinion encourages users to freely express their opinion, the dominant population of this community is young white males, and only the opinions representing them are supported by general users and brought up to the front page. Consequently, the minority opinions are neglected and it results in another spiral of silence phenomenon in the community I don’t know if young white males needs to be said or if that’s just speculation. What matters more is the outcome which is actually just more groupthink.
  - asidiali 6y ago
    I mean, they took a sample of the sub, and that is what they found (see their notes on data collection process done via Reddit Chat) Regardless, I agree with you, the groupthink is the issue here - I do think it is telling though, that it is a groupthink (allegedly) skewed by the white male perspective. Which I think is also an issue, lack of representation in such echo chambers. But you’re right - two separate issues that happened to be intertwined here. Anti-racist echo chambers are still echo chambers.

s_dev 6y ago

There is an arms race between reddit admins and spammers in general -- who will ruin any platform with eyeballs on it. This article does not address that all -- vote fuzzification apparently only serves "brigading" -- thast not what it's for. It's for spammers so they can't judge the effectivness of their bots. The author misses the wood from the trees. I'm not seeing valid criticisms either which means he didnt' even Google to see what others said of reddit, e.g. poor moderation tools for large subs.

asidiali 6y ago

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1912.04206.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1912.04206.pdf

goalieca 6y ago
> Even though the environment of r/unpopularopinion encourages users to freely express their opinion, the dominant population of this community is young white males, and only the opinions representing them are supported by general users and brought up to the front page. Consequently, the minority opinions are neglected and it results in another spiral of silence phenomenon in the community I don’t know if young white males needs to be said or if that’s just speculation. What matters more is the outcome which is actually just more groupthink.
- asidiali 6y ago
  I mean, they took a sample of the sub, and that is what they found (see their notes on data collection process done via Reddit Chat) Regardless, I agree with you, the groupthink is the issue here - I do think it is telling though, that it is a groupthink (allegedly) skewed by the white male perspective. Which I think is also an issue, lack of representation in such echo chambers. But you’re right - two separate issues that happened to be intertwined here. Anti-racist echo chambers are still echo chambers.