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Unless I'm looking in the wrong place, the e-mails that Facebook's attorneys and Paul Ceglia's attorneys have disclosed all seem to lack SMTP headers. Here's w

Unless I'm looking in the wrong place, the e-mails that Facebook's attorneys and Paul Ceglia's attorneys have disclosed all seem to lack SMTP headers. Here's what an e-mail from Mark Zuckerberg looks like when you want to make a point: http://www.thinkpress.com/authoritas/housesystem/20040106140008.zuckerberg.pdf http://www.thinkpress.com/authoritas/housesystem/20040106140... There are many more here, though they've been largely ignored by the media since I chose not to be part of the movie: http://www.thinkpress.com/authoritas/resources.html http://www.thinkpress.com/authoritas/resources.html SMTP headers are crucial. I wouldn't trust anything that lacks them. While the header itself isn't a guarantee that the message body hasn't been tampered with, it's definitely more reassuring that the message hasn't just been invented out of thin air. As it so happens, the e-mails Mark sent me (and that I sent him) are from the exact same time period that Paul Ceglia is concerned with, so if the full messages ever do come out from either side, a comparison would be fairly straightforward.

edanm 15y ago
Have any of the lawyers been in contact with you about those emails? Seems like it would make sense, especially since they're doing linguistic analysis of Mark Zuckerberg's style, etc.
- thinkcomp 15y ago
  No one has seemed particularly interested. I will say this, because despite my settlement agreement, I can: the whole Facebook controversy--what has indirectly become of my initial work on a fully integrated portal for Harvard students--is an enormous tragedy for everyone, not just for me. Mark's Facebook has distorted so many aspects of our society. The media circus of one claimant after another; the filing, counter-filing, hearsay, "non-fiction" books, "fictional" movies, etc. has detracted from the actual story based on factual evidence to the point where it's hard not to feel sympathy for Mark. Yet no one who values creativity and strives to be an entrepreneur should feel sympathy for Mark. I don't know anything about Paul Ceglia other than the fact that he appears incredibly untrustworthy. And yet, despite not being convicted criminals, I wouldn't trust the Winklevosses and Divya Narendra, either. Nor would I trust Eduardo Saverin or any of the other co-founders. I trust Mark least of all. All of this is to say that you can do linguistic analysis on Mark's writing style all day. It doesn't matter; Mark will be fine and Paul Ceglia was apparently already in a lot of trouble. The vast majority of people I hear talking about this have completely failed to learn anything from it. In fact, we've put Mark and others like him up on a pedestal, and it's really quite sad.
  - rooshdi 15y ago
    Did Mark even try to offer you a role at Facebook?
tlrobinson 15y ago
Given that your emails are publicly available, what's stoping anyone from using them as a template for forgeries? I don't think there's anything in those headers that couldn't be forged (disregarding that Ceglia seems to be terrible at forging documents, of course) DKIM headers contain a cryptographic signature of the sender's email address, subject, and body, so I think that would be pretty decent proof, but unfortunately DKIM wasn't introduced until 2006.
rudiger 15y ago
It's amazing that you had conversations with Mr. Zuckerberg, a future multi-billionaire, about his Facebook idea all the way back in late 2003, early 2004. Edit: Reading the other comment, it seems Mr. Greenspan has a settlement agreement not to discuss certain details about Mr. Zuckerberg or Facebook. Anyone have a link to the story behind all this? The idea of discussing Facebook with its founder from before its inception is just... Wow.
- brianbreslin 15y ago
  I think there is a book out there by Mr. Greenspan. here are some relevant links http://venturebeat.com/2007/09/02/who-founded-facebook-aaron-greenspan/ http://venturebeat.com/2007/09/02/who-founded-facebook-aaron... http://www.allfacebook.com/aaron-greenspan-facebook-2009-05 http://www.allfacebook.com/aaron-greenspan-facebook-2009-05 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aaron-greenspan/the-end-of-the-facebook-e_b_575921.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aaron-greenspan/the-end-of-the...

edanm 15y ago

Have any of the lawyers been in contact with you about those emails? Seems like it would make sense, especially since they're doing linguistic analysis of Mark Zuckerberg's style, etc.

thinkcomp 15y ago
No one has seemed particularly interested. I will say this, because despite my settlement agreement, I can: the whole Facebook controversy--what has indirectly become of my initial work on a fully integrated portal for Harvard students--is an enormous tragedy for everyone, not just for me. Mark's Facebook has distorted so many aspects of our society. The media circus of one claimant after another; the filing, counter-filing, hearsay, "non-fiction" books, "fictional" movies, etc. has detracted from the actual story based on factual evidence to the point where it's hard not to feel sympathy for Mark. Yet no one who values creativity and strives to be an entrepreneur should feel sympathy for Mark. I don't know anything about Paul Ceglia other than the fact that he appears incredibly untrustworthy. And yet, despite not being convicted criminals, I wouldn't trust the Winklevosses and Divya Narendra, either. Nor would I trust Eduardo Saverin or any of the other co-founders. I trust Mark least of all. All of this is to say that you can do linguistic analysis on Mark's writing style all day. It doesn't matter; Mark will be fine and Paul Ceglia was apparently already in a lot of trouble. The vast majority of people I hear talking about this have completely failed to learn anything from it. In fact, we've put Mark and others like him up on a pedestal, and it's really quite sad.
- rooshdi 15y ago
  Did Mark even try to offer you a role at Facebook?

tlrobinson 15y ago

Given that your emails are publicly available, what's stoping anyone from using them as a template for forgeries? I don't think there's anything in those headers that couldn't be forged (disregarding that Ceglia seems to be terrible at forging documents, of course) DKIM headers contain a cryptographic signature of the sender's email address, subject, and body, so I think that would be pretty decent proof, but unfortunately DKIM wasn't introduced until 2006.

rudiger 15y ago

It's amazing that you had conversations with Mr. Zuckerberg, a future multi-billionaire, about his Facebook idea all the way back in late 2003, early 2004. Edit: Reading the other comment, it seems Mr. Greenspan has a settlement agreement not to discuss certain details about Mr. Zuckerberg or Facebook. Anyone have a link to the story behind all this? The idea of discussing Facebook with its founder from before its inception is just... Wow.

brianbreslin 15y ago
I think there is a book out there by Mr. Greenspan. here are some relevant links http://venturebeat.com/2007/09/02/who-founded-facebook-aaron-greenspan/ http://venturebeat.com/2007/09/02/who-founded-facebook-aaron... http://www.allfacebook.com/aaron-greenspan-facebook-2009-05 http://www.allfacebook.com/aaron-greenspan-facebook-2009-05 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aaron-greenspan/the-end-of-the-facebook-e_b_575921.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aaron-greenspan/the-end-of-the...