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> I’m guessing you can build AWS in a weekend No, but a service on my NUC has better uptime than a service on AWS, and costs less, so why would I want to build

> I’m guessing you can build AWS in a weekend No, but a service on my NUC has better uptime than a service on AWS, and costs less, so why would I want to build AWS?

judge2020 6y ago
Because your service neither could handle a million concurrent users tomorrow nor a power outage. Those probably aren't your requirements, but they are for most companies.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Only a tiny portion of companies ever reach a million concurrent users tomorrow, nor have plans to reach them, having enough to pay the bills is already quite good. A power outage can be dealt just like in the old days with a UPS unit.
- ocdtrekkie 6y ago
  I absolutely have a UPS in my basement. Considering how little runs on it, it's pretty cheap to get a long runtime out of it too. A lot of things I see with millions of concurrent users aren't actually monoliths: Sure, Facebook needs to handle that. But most cloud apps would better be run where each tenant/business/team operates an Intel NUC in their basement, instead of the developer using the cloud as a way to force rent-seeking behavior.
  - ithrow 6y ago
    Not having to deal with hardware is nice, and I don't think having datacenter grade internet access in your basement is realistic for most.
    - jonfw 6y ago
      Do you need datacenter grade? Fiber can probably serve a lot of requests per second
      - tutfbhuf 6y ago
        Unless your fiber has an outage, then you want redundancy, multiple independent uplinks that is. And if your whole region has a problem, which is more likley to happen than one might think, then you want a multi-region setup e.g. us-west-1 and us-east-2, and then we can start to calculate the numbers of nines, unless your username is ocdtrekkie, he can beat AWS with a single NUC while he is sleeping.
  - tutfbhuf 6y ago
    Many big things started out in a garage, with very simple solutions like your little UPS powered NUC.
    - jon-wood 6y ago
      Including Google. Who have now hit a point where that's no longer sustainable, and developed a set of best practices to ensure reliability beyond what you can expect from a NUC in the basement.
- KaiserPro 6y ago
  > Because your service neither could handle a million concurrent users tomorrow nor a power outage. SRE here. 92% of all companies can't handle this either.
- unionpivo 6y ago
  > million concurrent users sure, but 99% of sysadmins/devops/SRE/whatever will never work on anything that has million concurrent users. Most startup will never reach million concurrent users. And if they do, investors will happily shuffle as much money as you need to make your site work at that scale. Hell even million monthly users is a nice milestone that most projects never reach, and that usually translates to couple of thousand concurrent request (peak), that average laptop could handle.

> I’m guessing you can build AWS in a weekend No, but a service on my NUC has better uptime than a service on AWS, and costs less, so why would I want to build AWS?

judge2020 6y ago

Because your service neither could handle a million concurrent users tomorrow nor a power outage. Those probably aren't your requirements, but they are for most companies.

pjmlp 6y ago
Only a tiny portion of companies ever reach a million concurrent users tomorrow, nor have plans to reach them, having enough to pay the bills is already quite good. A power outage can be dealt just like in the old days with a UPS unit.
ocdtrekkie 6y ago
I absolutely have a UPS in my basement. Considering how little runs on it, it's pretty cheap to get a long runtime out of it too. A lot of things I see with millions of concurrent users aren't actually monoliths: Sure, Facebook needs to handle that. But most cloud apps would better be run where each tenant/business/team operates an Intel NUC in their basement, instead of the developer using the cloud as a way to force rent-seeking behavior.
- ithrow 6y ago
  Not having to deal with hardware is nice, and I don't think having datacenter grade internet access in your basement is realistic for most.
  - jonfw 6y ago
    Do you need datacenter grade? Fiber can probably serve a lot of requests per second
    - tutfbhuf 6y ago
      Unless your fiber has an outage, then you want redundancy, multiple independent uplinks that is. And if your whole region has a problem, which is more likley to happen than one might think, then you want a multi-region setup e.g. us-west-1 and us-east-2, and then we can start to calculate the numbers of nines, unless your username is ocdtrekkie, he can beat AWS with a single NUC while he is sleeping.
- tutfbhuf 6y ago
  Many big things started out in a garage, with very simple solutions like your little UPS powered NUC.
  - jon-wood 6y ago
    Including Google. Who have now hit a point where that's no longer sustainable, and developed a set of best practices to ensure reliability beyond what you can expect from a NUC in the basement.
KaiserPro 6y ago
> Because your service neither could handle a million concurrent users tomorrow nor a power outage. SRE here. 92% of all companies can't handle this either.
unionpivo 6y ago
> million concurrent users sure, but 99% of sysadmins/devops/SRE/whatever will never work on anything that has million concurrent users. Most startup will never reach million concurrent users. And if they do, investors will happily shuffle as much money as you need to make your site work at that scale. Hell even million monthly users is a nice milestone that most projects never reach, and that usually translates to couple of thousand concurrent request (peak), that average laptop could handle.