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They addressed it in Russia btw. Now it is the law that whoever accepts the payment carries the responsibility. So shit like > manufacturers typically say that

by p2t2p 6y ago

They addressed it in Russia btw. Now it is the law that whoever accepts the payment carries the responsibility. So shit like > manufacturers typically say that they can't refund the windows license and tell the user to contact microsoft directly won't fly anymore.

tinus_hn 6y ago
Same in Europe, you have to make sure the product conforms to the description so if it is broken you have to react or take it back. I don’t think this has ever been tested with respect to licenses though.
- gambiting 6y ago
  Retailers in EU(and EEA and UK) have to take the product back if you don't agree with the licence, the problem is that this is not what customers usually want. People want to buy a laptop, disagree with the licence, and get money back just for the licence. Instead retailers will(or should) offer you a refund for the entire device, which is not what most people want.
  - tinus_hn 6y ago
    I’d like to buy a phone and then get a refund for the screen, microphone, camera, battery, speakers, case, antennas and the modem. And the software too please. Of course this only worked because Microsoft put this in the license and they have taken it out long ago. You can’t return Windows for a refund anymore.
    - gambiting 6y ago
      No, you can't return it, but at least in EU you are 100% allowed to take that licence and sell it on, no matter what the EULA says.
      - tinus_hn 6y ago
        > Retailers in EU(and EEA and UK) have to take the product back if you don't agree with the licence > No, you can't return it, but at least in EU you are 100% allowed to take that licence and sell it on You’re contradicting yourself. PS license is spelled with an s
        gambiting 6y ago
        >>PS license is spelled with an s Are you honestly unaware that UK spelling is licence, or are you trying to make some kind of point? >>You’re contradicting yourself. No, I'm not, but I will explain again. "Retailers in EU(and EEA and UK) have to take the product back if you don't agree with the licence" - the product. As in, the whole laptop/personal computer/tablet/whatever. If you don't agree with the licence bundled with the device, the retailer has to offer you a refund for the whole product. You can't return just the windows licence alone. I thought I made it quite clear in the earlier comment, but I guess not.

by p2t2p 6y ago

tinus_hn 6y ago

Same in Europe, you have to make sure the product conforms to the description so if it is broken you have to react or take it back. I don’t think this has ever been tested with respect to licenses though.

gambiting 6y ago
Retailers in EU(and EEA and UK) have to take the product back if you don't agree with the licence, the problem is that this is not what customers usually want. People want to buy a laptop, disagree with the licence, and get money back just for the licence. Instead retailers will(or should) offer you a refund for the entire device, which is not what most people want.
- tinus_hn 6y ago
  I’d like to buy a phone and then get a refund for the screen, microphone, camera, battery, speakers, case, antennas and the modem. And the software too please. Of course this only worked because Microsoft put this in the license and they have taken it out long ago. You can’t return Windows for a refund anymore.
  - gambiting 6y ago
    No, you can't return it, but at least in EU you are 100% allowed to take that licence and sell it on, no matter what the EULA says.
    - tinus_hn 6y ago
      > Retailers in EU(and EEA and UK) have to take the product back if you don't agree with the licence > No, you can't return it, but at least in EU you are 100% allowed to take that licence and sell it on You’re contradicting yourself. PS license is spelled with an s
      - gambiting 6y ago
        >>PS license is spelled with an s Are you honestly unaware that UK spelling is licence, or are you trying to make some kind of point? >>You’re contradicting yourself. No, I'm not, but I will explain again. "Retailers in EU(and EEA and UK) have to take the product back if you don't agree with the licence" - the product. As in, the whole laptop/personal computer/tablet/whatever. If you don't agree with the licence bundled with the device, the retailer has to offer you a refund for the whole product. You can't return just the windows licence alone. I thought I made it quite clear in the earlier comment, but I guess not.