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For what it's worth, I don't think Steve Jobs would have ever allowed the charging port for the Magic Mouse to ever be on the bottom and forced the user to have
by thebrain 6y ago
For what it's worth, I don't think Steve Jobs would have ever allowed the charging port for the Magic Mouse to ever be on the bottom and forced the user to have to leave the mouse on it's side to charge.
- neximo64 6y agoMaybe you don't know Steve Jobs but it is exactly the thing he would do without even a shred of doubt. He's using the design to make you use it wirelessly (the way he wants). You're not supposed to use it like a normal mouse. The fact people moan about this would even make him more sure about it.. Also it came out back when and he probably saw it and approved it
- adrr 6y agoOriginal Magic Mouse used regular batteries that you could change out. Magic mouse 2 has to worst design apple has come up for a mouse except for puck mouse. Flip it upside down every month to charge it. I am sure Jobs would cringe if he walked through the office at night saw people's mice upside down charging.
- joshspankit 6y agoI don’t know, I feel like Steve Jobs hated mice in general, or at least didn’t understand the use of them. Look at the “puck“ for example.
- DaiPlusPlus 6y agoThe puck-mouse was a good mouse if you're a person that moves the mouse by flicking fingers or with hand movements rather than with arm movements - and if you tuned the mouse speed and acceleration curve - but most people don't set their mouse speed to their liking though, hence the ergonomic issues.
- paulryanrogers 6y agoSharp learning curves aren't a feature of good, mainstream UX.
- joshspankit 6y agoHow does that “flicking finger” style combat the issue of returning your hand to the mouse to find that it’s rotated a few degrees?
- DaiPlusPlus 6y ago(Right-handed user) I never release my thumb and pinky-finger from the sides of the mouse, so I'm always in control of its rotation. I should better describe it as "controlled-flicking": kinetic energy is imparted onto the mouse via the fingers - not the palm - but the mouse never loses finger contact.
- joshspankit 6y agoNever? Do you not type with your right hand?
- DaiPlusPlus 6y ago“One-handed surfing”
- gvd 6y agoIt's so retarded. I have 2 magic mice. One is always charging so I can swap them out
- ritchiea 6y agoOne charge of mine lasts months, why on Earth would you need 2 mice? Worse case it runs out of battery and you take a 20min break to get enough charge to last you the rest of the day then make sure to charge overnight.
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- tshaddox 6y agoWhat kind of duty cycle are you using with your mouse? You get several hours of use from (literally) one minute of charging, and if you charge it overnight it will last for weeks.
- astrange 6y agoLeaving batteries on a charger can wear them out much faster than just leaving it in a drawer. This is avoided by "optimized battery charging" on phones/watches/airpods now but I don't know if mice do it.
- stjo 6y ago
- fossuser 6y agoJobs wasn't perfect - rumor was the one button mouse exists because he picked it from an unfinished mock. The magic mouse also sucks (though I do like the large trackpad). I think their argument for the charging port on the bottom is because they didn't want people to be able to use it plugged in (so people wouldn't just leave it plugged in), it was intentional.
- throwawayboise 6y agoI thought the reason (for the one-button mouse) was so that you'd never have to think about which button to click.
- fossuser 6y ago"Farag recalls a prototype presentation meeting with Jobs where he and the design team presented possibilities for what would be the next Apple mouse. The team had several versions to show Steve, some of which "were fully done, with all the parting lines cut in for buttons and different plastic parts, and all the colors just right," according to Farag. At the last moment the team decided to include a prototype that echoed the look of the previous gen Apple mouse, but it was not finished and didn't include cut-outs for the buttons. “We were going to put that model into a box so people wouldn’t see it.” Farag said. Jobs darted right for the unfinished one saying, “That’s genius…We don’t want to have any buttons,” according to Farag. As one would expect, someone from the design team quickly jumped up and agreed with Jobs as if that was one of the options all along." https://www.techspot.com/news/55958-how-a-misunderstanding-with-steve-jobs-led-to-the-no-button-apple-pro-mouse.html https://www.techspot.com/news/55958-how-a-misunderstanding-w... As far as not thinking about a button to click - that only works if the idea of 'right-click' doesn't exist. In the real world where it does now you just have to know to control-click, which seems strictly worse.
- chipotle_coyote 6y agoI think you're misunderstanding the article you linked at least a bit here; it's not the origin story of Apple's original one-button mouse. It's describing the "no button" Pro Mouse circa 2000, which still functioned like a one-button mouse in practice. Macs had one-button mice since they first shipped in 1984. > As far as not thinking about a button to click - that only works if the idea of 'right-click' doesn't exist. Well, when you adjust your timeline back to when that first one-button mouse came out in 1984, one can argue whether the idea of right-click as we know it today really existed! There were multi-button mice already, but there wasn't any standardization as to what the buttons did, so Apple's insistence on "there is just one button and it does THE THING" was at least defensible. And IIRC early versions of Windows pretty much ignored anything but the left button, although applications could receive clicks from them. I'm pretty sure the "right-click for a context menu" idea that's become standard today actually started with OS/2. > In the real world where it does now you just have to know to control-click, which seems strictly worse. Or you could just right-click. :) Every mouse Apple has sold since 2005 supports right-clicking (and OS X actually supported right-clicking from the start if you plugged in somebody else's mouse!). Their trackpads lets you click with two fingers for a right-click effect.
- vlunkr 6y agoI think there needs to be a name for this type of baseless argument. COMPANY would never do UNPOPULAR_CHOICE under OLD_BOSS.
- Austin_Conlon 6y agoApparently it happened a lot at Disney after Walt Disney was gone.
- JKCalhoun 6y agoNo True CEO!
- yreg 6y agoSteve might have actually loved it if he'd see it. It is rumoured that Apple put the charging port in such an awkward place to force people to unplug the cable as soon as the mouse is charged. I can imagine customers using the wireless mouse with the cable attached is something that would grind Steve's gears as well. Preventing the situation with a flipped tortoise design is a Steve thing to do.
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago> It is rumoured that Apple put the charging port in such an awkward place to force people to unplug the cable as soon as the mouse is charged. You say this as if it's absolutely typical of Steve Jobs. I read it and think exactly the opposite. Jobs was certainly a stickler for aesthetics, but also for usability. I've read numerous accounts of him lashing out when he found a workflow noticeably frustrating. What decisions made during Jobs's tenure would you consider comparable to the Magic Mouse's charging port?
- MattRix 6y agoWe can talk about a Jobs diaster without even leaving the field of mice. The puck mouse was an absolute usability nightmare. It had a circular shape and would always end up twisting slightly so you could never consistently move the direction you expected.
- CyberDildonics 6y agoYeah, I can't imagine him endorsing some sort of forced dark pattern behavior like that. His biography talked about going to great lengths to make his jet bathroom door toggle instead of using two separate lock and unlock buttons.
- askafriend 6y agoIt's not a forced dark pattern. Others are leaving out a lot of detail about the product design. * The mouse supports fast charging - 2mins on the charger gives you all day use. * A full charge will give you more than 2mo of battery life - nearly 3. * In 24 months, you will have to put it on the charger between 6 and 8 times TOTAL. With that context, the design makes perfect sense for a wireless mouse.
- Austin_Conlon 6y agoIt shipped in 2009.
- easton 6y agoThe 1st generation Magic Mouse took AA batteries, the 2nd gen had the charging port.
- Austin_Conlon 6y agoAh nvm, 2nd gen was in 2015.
- Hoasi 6y agoThat’s a certainty.
- perryizgr8 6y agoI used to make fun of this until I actually used one. The charging takes about an hour or two, and then the battery lasts for months. So this is not an actual issue. The real issue is the horrible sensor and tracking. It is absolutely unusable as a mouse.