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I mean, it almost sounds like you want a phone that doesn't connect to anything. If I may ask, what's the point. Just don't carry a phone.

monocasa 6y ago
It sounds like they primarily don't want their phone to connect to Google without asking the user, not that they don't want it to connect to anything. Google has not become the whole internet yet.
- ThenAsNow 6y ago
  Exactly this. I'm not sure how wanting a device that can connect only as per my requests/configuration requires that I instead be OK with it willy-nilly connecting to whatever it wants.
- strcat 6y ago
  See https://grapheneos.org/faq#default-connections https://grapheneos.org/faq#default-connections which is an accurate list of the default connections in the OS. There are no connections to Google made by default. We offer the option (opt-in) to use their connectivity servers instead of ours, contrary to what the person you're talking about has claimed here. They have made false claims about connectivity checks, DNS, SUPL, WebRTC and other things. They have made false claims about what the project provides, what it aims to provide and what it's focused on. It's very clear that they are not acting in good faith and intend to cause harm to it by spreading misinformation. It's quite possible they hold a grudge due to being banned from the channel in the past, which is quite possible, since that kind of behavior would have resulted in a ban. There are some legacy sample apps such as QuickSearchBox (a barebones search app using Google search) which we have listed in our issue tracker as things we need to replace with other apps. Those aren't part of the base OS and exist for testing the OS rather than real world usage. They need to be replaced rather than removed because the functionality will need to be included for compatibility. None of those apps make connections to Google simply by existing or from the user opening them, etc. Using grep to search for Google domains and URLs across a huge source tree with more purposes than building the OS is not a viable way to identify connections that are made by the OS. A huge portion of that code is not used for the OS. A substantial portion consists of tests, sample code and code for other things like the SDK. A major portion is vendored external code (external/) where a small subset that's relevant is being used. For portions that are included, just because it implements functionality does not mean we are including the functionality or enabling it in the build configuration.
Erlich_Bachman 6y ago
It's not at all what it sounds like. Intentional user connections, connected to user actions are one thing. Phone constantly sending pings to various addresses and services for no good reason - is very different.
LinuxBender 6y ago
They want to own (control) their device and not the other way around. I agree entirely with their philosophy. In fact, my first experience with this dark pattern was a floppy disk from CompuServ. Upon loading their application, my modem and hard drive lights starting blinking. I pulled the power cord, shredded the disk and never looked back. This dark pattern is replete throughout the tech industry and vanquishing it is very challenging.

monocasa 6y ago

It sounds like they primarily don't want their phone to connect to Google without asking the user, not that they don't want it to connect to anything. Google has not become the whole internet yet.

ThenAsNow 6y ago
Exactly this. I'm not sure how wanting a device that can connect only as per my requests/configuration requires that I instead be OK with it willy-nilly connecting to whatever it wants.
strcat 6y ago
See https://grapheneos.org/faq#default-connections https://grapheneos.org/faq#default-connections which is an accurate list of the default connections in the OS. There are no connections to Google made by default. We offer the option (opt-in) to use their connectivity servers instead of ours, contrary to what the person you're talking about has claimed here. They have made false claims about connectivity checks, DNS, SUPL, WebRTC and other things. They have made false claims about what the project provides, what it aims to provide and what it's focused on. It's very clear that they are not acting in good faith and intend to cause harm to it by spreading misinformation. It's quite possible they hold a grudge due to being banned from the channel in the past, which is quite possible, since that kind of behavior would have resulted in a ban. There are some legacy sample apps such as QuickSearchBox (a barebones search app using Google search) which we have listed in our issue tracker as things we need to replace with other apps. Those aren't part of the base OS and exist for testing the OS rather than real world usage. They need to be replaced rather than removed because the functionality will need to be included for compatibility. None of those apps make connections to Google simply by existing or from the user opening them, etc. Using grep to search for Google domains and URLs across a huge source tree with more purposes than building the OS is not a viable way to identify connections that are made by the OS. A huge portion of that code is not used for the OS. A substantial portion consists of tests, sample code and code for other things like the SDK. A major portion is vendored external code (external/) where a small subset that's relevant is being used. For portions that are included, just because it implements functionality does not mean we are including the functionality or enabling it in the build configuration.

Erlich_Bachman 6y ago

It's not at all what it sounds like. Intentional user connections, connected to user actions are one thing. Phone constantly sending pings to various addresses and services for no good reason - is very different.

LinuxBender 6y ago

They want to own (control) their device and not the other way around. I agree entirely with their philosophy. In fact, my first experience with this dark pattern was a floppy disk from CompuServ. Upon loading their application, my modem and hard drive lights starting blinking. I pulled the power cord, shredded the disk and never looked back. This dark pattern is replete throughout the tech industry and vanquishing it is very challenging.