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> there's a link to https://matrix.to https://matrix.to and I don't want to fill my own homeserver every time. Hm, for Element Desktop matrix.to should deeplin

> there's a link to https://matrix.to https://matrix.to and I don't want to fill my own homeserver every time. Hm, for Element Desktop matrix.to should deeplink into the app, and so prioritise your client's settings there. If that's not working, please file a bug at https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix.to/issues https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix.to/issues. For Element Web, the theory of matrix.to is that it remembers the URL of your preferred client (and ideally your homeserver) and so fixes up the links to do the right thing. In practice we rushed this in for FOSDEM and got it so you can provide the client in the URL (e.g. https://matrix.to/#/#misc:fosdem.org?web-instance[element.io]=chat.fosdem.org https://matrix.to/#/#misc:fosdem.org?web-instance[element.io... means "join this via the element web at https://chat.fosdem.org https://chat.fosdem.org") - but we didn't hook it up to remember the default. I've just filed this as https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix.to/issues/197 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix.to/issues/197. Meanwhile, specifying a default homeserver (as opposed to client) is https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix.to/issues/15 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix.to/issues/15. > I used the Communities thing from Element Communities are a mess and being replaced by Spaces. Ironically Spaces behave the same way fundamentally (they filter your room list rather than switch you between namespaces), but we hope this will feel okay if executed better. > There's no "community" for the default view This should be fixed with Spaces (although quite how is still up for debate - the current behaviour still makes you 'click in the background' to unselect a Space). So, good news: spaces should solve most of this. Meanwhile i've bumped the priority on the matrix.to issue you hit :)

rakoo 6y ago
I understand my own fault now: I deny all cookies by default, this might be the reason I had to enter the homeserver every time. Still, I'm not super comfortable with the idea of phoning home to someone else, even though "home" doesn't know what room I'm joining. I haven't had the chance to attend your talk about Spaces, I'm waiting for the video. Can't wait to see how Spaces change the landscape :)
- Arathorn 6y ago
  Agreed that matrix.to is a hack - hopefully the matrix:// URI scheme will get off the ground shortly and render it unnecessary. Meanwhile, the Spaces video is up at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzUfS08lMek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzUfS08lMek :)
feanaro 6y ago
> Ironically Spaces behave the same way fundamentally (they filter your room list rather than switch you between namespaces), but we hope this will feel okay if executed better. I feel this is strictly superior in the same way tags are superior to categories. The latter imposes a strict and rigid hierarchy which quickly enters into ontological problems because you have to decide which single category a room belongs to, so your choice of categories matters too much. On the other hand, I cannot think of a single reason why you would specifically need categories since they can be recovered by simply ensuring that each of your rooms is contained in only a single space (i.e. tagged by only a single tag). If this use case is important to a user, they can easily achieve this.
- rakoo 6y ago
  Indeed it is more powerful, as Gmail has shown us when it entered that tags are a superset of folders. Maybe I have a contact that should be both in a 'family' group and in a 'work' group. That said using tags is also more difficult than folders, because they're a "relatively" new concept. We tech people are completely used to it, but I'm pretty sure if I ask people around me they would not be comfortable using it. The visual cues need to be different from the standard hierarchy organization.

rakoo 6y ago

I understand my own fault now: I deny all cookies by default, this might be the reason I had to enter the homeserver every time. Still, I'm not super comfortable with the idea of phoning home to someone else, even though "home" doesn't know what room I'm joining. I haven't had the chance to attend your talk about Spaces, I'm waiting for the video. Can't wait to see how Spaces change the landscape :)

Arathorn 6y ago
Agreed that matrix.to is a hack - hopefully the matrix:// URI scheme will get off the ground shortly and render it unnecessary. Meanwhile, the Spaces video is up at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzUfS08lMek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzUfS08lMek :)

feanaro 6y ago

> Ironically Spaces behave the same way fundamentally (they filter your room list rather than switch you between namespaces), but we hope this will feel okay if executed better. I feel this is strictly superior in the same way tags are superior to categories. The latter imposes a strict and rigid hierarchy which quickly enters into ontological problems because you have to decide which single category a room belongs to, so your choice of categories matters too much. On the other hand, I cannot think of a single reason why you would specifically need categories since they can be recovered by simply ensuring that each of your rooms is contained in only a single space (i.e. tagged by only a single tag). If this use case is important to a user, they can easily achieve this.

rakoo 6y ago
Indeed it is more powerful, as Gmail has shown us when it entered that tags are a superset of folders. Maybe I have a contact that should be both in a 'family' group and in a 'work' group. That said using tags is also more difficult than folders, because they're a "relatively" new concept. We tech people are completely used to it, but I'm pretty sure if I ask people around me they would not be comfortable using it. The visual cues need to be different from the standard hierarchy organization.