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You spent two days generating a hash? What a waste of resources. EDIT: harsh crowd today. I could care less how the author spends their time. Am I the only one

You spent two days generating a hash? What a waste of resources. EDIT: harsh crowd today. I could care less how the author spends their time. Am I the only one that saw all the articles talking about how bad BTC is for the environment recently?

danhak 6y ago
His goal was to answer the interesting question: "how many hashes could I manually generate per day," not to generate hashes in the most efficient manner possible.
- shabda 6y ago
  Also, the author did not spend two days. he spent 17 minutes and then did the math to calculate the block hash rate. > Doing one round of SHA-256 by hand took me 16 minutes, 45 seconds. At this rate, hashing a full Bitcoin block (128 rounds)[3] would take 1.49 days, for a hash rate of 0.67 hashes per day
swagonomixxx 6y ago
It's a lockdown. I could see myself spending the weekend doing this.
- trophycase 6y ago
  Some of the comments are from 2014. Looks like this was from well before the lockdown XD
reaperducer 6y ago
His resources. Not yours. You don't get to judge, unless you want to detail what you did over the weekend and let the rest of us strangers decide if what you did was a waste or not.
- lifty 6y ago
  Unless (s)he used a lot of electricity over the weekend. Then HN gets to judge.
mckirk 6y ago
I feel like either I'm misunderstanding your comment, or you've whooshed everyone else commenting on it so far.
- waynesonfire 6y ago
  lol, clearly wooshed.
dang 6y ago
Edit: I misread the GP, as explained below. Sorry! "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- jjcon 6y ago
  Isn’t that kind of what you are doing by posting that comment? You could respond and explain why you disagree - instead you just shallowly dismissed their comment by saying it was shallow. Also maybe I’m crazy but their comment seemed to be a joke/commentary on the environmental resources used by Bitcoin. That isn’t a shallow dismissal.
  - dang 6y ago
    Moderation comments are certainly bad HN comments—they're off-topic, they're meta, they're repetitive as hell [1]. And you're right that they sometimes break the rules they're trying to enforce. They're also even more tedious to write than to read [2]. But, alas, they're necessary. You need an out-of-band feedback mechanism to nudge the system out of its failure modes. I take your point about the GP being a joke, though—the edit makes that clear. The problem with one-liners that don't disambiguate intent [3] is that they pattern-match to the most common category they look like. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/posts?id=dang https://news.ycombinator.com/posts?id=dang [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=tedious%20write%20read%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... [3] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=disambiguate%20burden%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...
  - TheDong 6y ago
    It's a shallow joke. One of the rules of HN is to attempt to have thoughtful and substantive discussions. An entire comment that is just a joke is not how you end up with substantive discussion, which I think has been well proven by reddit long since. It's fine to have a joke to lead into a well articulated point, but an entire comment shouldn't _just_ be a joke, unless it's the rare case of a joke that is insightful, not just a shared cultural reference (in this case to a common other argument on HN). > Isn’t that kind of what you are doing by posting that comment? I think this is akin to the paradox of tolerance. There's the saying "that with is presented without evidence may be dismissed without evidence". I think the HN analogue would be "that which is posted without an attempt to have a substantive discussion can be dismissed out of hand". Similar to how a gish gallop works, it's absolutely not plausible for dang to respond to every comment that violates HN guidelines with a full breakdown of why he believes so. The volume of poor comments simply is so high that he would need to spend far more hours than he can spare for that.
gruez 6y ago
> You spent two days generating a hash? What a waste of resources. It's for entertainment, and it looks like OP learned something. It's better use of resources than staring at a TV all day, which presumably you won't have an issue with. >Am I the only one that saw all the articles talking about how bad BTC is for the environment recently? At this point it's beating a dead horse.
kleer001 6y ago
> I could care less how You couldn't care less?
- waynesonfire 6y ago
  Thanks, yes that's what I meant. Didn't realize I've been saying it wrong all this time. Apparently, a very common mistake.

danhak 6y ago

His goal was to answer the interesting question: "how many hashes could I manually generate per day," not to generate hashes in the most efficient manner possible.

shabda 6y ago
Also, the author did not spend two days. he spent 17 minutes and then did the math to calculate the block hash rate. > Doing one round of SHA-256 by hand took me 16 minutes, 45 seconds. At this rate, hashing a full Bitcoin block (128 rounds)[3] would take 1.49 days, for a hash rate of 0.67 hashes per day

swagonomixxx 6y ago

It's a lockdown. I could see myself spending the weekend doing this.

trophycase 6y ago
Some of the comments are from 2014. Looks like this was from well before the lockdown XD

reaperducer 6y ago

His resources. Not yours. You don't get to judge, unless you want to detail what you did over the weekend and let the rest of us strangers decide if what you did was a waste or not.

lifty 6y ago
Unless (s)he used a lot of electricity over the weekend. Then HN gets to judge.

mckirk 6y ago

I feel like either I'm misunderstanding your comment, or you've whooshed everyone else commenting on it so far.

waynesonfire 6y ago
lol, clearly wooshed.

dang 6y ago

Edit: I misread the GP, as explained below. Sorry! "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

jjcon 6y ago
Isn’t that kind of what you are doing by posting that comment? You could respond and explain why you disagree - instead you just shallowly dismissed their comment by saying it was shallow. Also maybe I’m crazy but their comment seemed to be a joke/commentary on the environmental resources used by Bitcoin. That isn’t a shallow dismissal.
- dang 6y ago
  Moderation comments are certainly bad HN comments—they're off-topic, they're meta, they're repetitive as hell [1]. And you're right that they sometimes break the rules they're trying to enforce. They're also even more tedious to write than to read [2]. But, alas, they're necessary. You need an out-of-band feedback mechanism to nudge the system out of its failure modes. I take your point about the GP being a joke, though—the edit makes that clear. The problem with one-liners that don't disambiguate intent [3] is that they pattern-match to the most common category they look like. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/posts?id=dang https://news.ycombinator.com/posts?id=dang [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=tedious%20write%20read%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... [3] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=disambiguate%20burden%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...
- TheDong 6y ago
  It's a shallow joke. One of the rules of HN is to attempt to have thoughtful and substantive discussions. An entire comment that is just a joke is not how you end up with substantive discussion, which I think has been well proven by reddit long since. It's fine to have a joke to lead into a well articulated point, but an entire comment shouldn't _just_ be a joke, unless it's the rare case of a joke that is insightful, not just a shared cultural reference (in this case to a common other argument on HN). > Isn’t that kind of what you are doing by posting that comment? I think this is akin to the paradox of tolerance. There's the saying "that with is presented without evidence may be dismissed without evidence". I think the HN analogue would be "that which is posted without an attempt to have a substantive discussion can be dismissed out of hand". Similar to how a gish gallop works, it's absolutely not plausible for dang to respond to every comment that violates HN guidelines with a full breakdown of why he believes so. The volume of poor comments simply is so high that he would need to spend far more hours than he can spare for that.

gruez 6y ago

> You spent two days generating a hash? What a waste of resources. It's for entertainment, and it looks like OP learned something. It's better use of resources than staring at a TV all day, which presumably you won't have an issue with. >Am I the only one that saw all the articles talking about how bad BTC is for the environment recently? At this point it's beating a dead horse.

kleer001 6y ago

> I could care less how You couldn't care less?

waynesonfire 6y ago
Thanks, yes that's what I meant. Didn't realize I've been saying it wrong all this time. Apparently, a very common mistake.