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Not the original poster but, it seems pretty direct to me: everything we do online is logged somewhere online, for most practical purposes forever, and that’s t

Not the original poster but, it seems pretty direct to me: everything we do online is logged somewhere online, for most practical purposes forever, and that’s the surveillance they are worried about.

BuyMyBitcoins 6y ago
I’m really worried about this and I think it’s going to be a massive problem in the next few decades if trends continue. Especially because society’s views on what is acceptable changes with each generation. What we say today may be perfectly acceptable now, but can be considered hateful or [xyz]-phobic in the future. I try to tread carefully but even still, everything I have ever posted can be taken wildly out of context and used against me by some activist in the future.
- inglor_cz 6y ago
  This. People seem to forget how much has the Overton Window shifted over last 4 years, or 10. In a 2008 interview, Obama said he wasn't in favor of gay marriage. Today, that would be cancelable offense for a random liberal person, and retroactivity is a thing in that culture. Brendan Eich was forced to resign in 2014 over an anti-gay-marriage donation from the same year of 2008.
  - joshstrange 6y ago
    The difference being Obama came around on the issue and, as far as I've seen, Brendan did not.
    - ConceptJunkie 6y ago
      That difference has no bearing on Obama not being cancelled in 2008 and Eich being cancelled in 2014.
      - joshstrange 6y ago
        Not in 2008 but in 2014 yes it does. I don't disagree with the Overton Window moving. Obama informed us of his change of thought in 2012 [0] (still later than I would have liked). Eich never did that even in 2014 when he was called out for it. I understand and respect that people's views can change and I'm more than willing to allow them to change their positions. Eich never changed, that is why he was "canceled". Also it's important to note this wasn't just an internet "mob" that "canceled" him, people who worked under him didn't want him in that position and spoke out about it. [0] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2012/may/11/barack-obama/president-barack-obamas-shift-gay-marriage/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2012/may/11/barack-oba...
        ConceptJunkie 6y ago
        So, in 2008, it was acceptable by the public to take 4 years to change your mind, but in 2014, that was no longer acceptable. As long as I understand what you're saying. I think the real difference is that when Obama said it in 2008, no one actually believed him.
Sunspark 6y ago
Absolutely. E.g., looking at porn with a verified account. Just about everything has a database table of everything that an account has viewed which allows someone the opportunity to be judgey. Fortunately, I am not a public figure.

BuyMyBitcoins 6y ago

I’m really worried about this and I think it’s going to be a massive problem in the next few decades if trends continue. Especially because society’s views on what is acceptable changes with each generation. What we say today may be perfectly acceptable now, but can be considered hateful or [xyz]-phobic in the future. I try to tread carefully but even still, everything I have ever posted can be taken wildly out of context and used against me by some activist in the future.

inglor_cz 6y ago
This. People seem to forget how much has the Overton Window shifted over last 4 years, or 10. In a 2008 interview, Obama said he wasn't in favor of gay marriage. Today, that would be cancelable offense for a random liberal person, and retroactivity is a thing in that culture. Brendan Eich was forced to resign in 2014 over an anti-gay-marriage donation from the same year of 2008.
- joshstrange 6y ago
  The difference being Obama came around on the issue and, as far as I've seen, Brendan did not.
  - ConceptJunkie 6y ago
    That difference has no bearing on Obama not being cancelled in 2008 and Eich being cancelled in 2014.
    - joshstrange 6y ago
      Not in 2008 but in 2014 yes it does. I don't disagree with the Overton Window moving. Obama informed us of his change of thought in 2012 [0] (still later than I would have liked). Eich never did that even in 2014 when he was called out for it. I understand and respect that people's views can change and I'm more than willing to allow them to change their positions. Eich never changed, that is why he was "canceled". Also it's important to note this wasn't just an internet "mob" that "canceled" him, people who worked under him didn't want him in that position and spoke out about it. [0] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2012/may/11/barack-obama/president-barack-obamas-shift-gay-marriage/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2012/may/11/barack-oba...
      - ConceptJunkie 6y ago
        So, in 2008, it was acceptable by the public to take 4 years to change your mind, but in 2014, that was no longer acceptable. As long as I understand what you're saying. I think the real difference is that when Obama said it in 2008, no one actually believed him.

Sunspark 6y ago

Absolutely. E.g., looking at porn with a verified account. Just about everything has a database table of everything that an account has viewed which allows someone the opportunity to be judgey. Fortunately, I am not a public figure.