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There is also considerable room for argument as to the extent to which Marxism is inextricable from the crimes of Stalin or Capitalism is from the crimes of the
by soledades 6y ago
There is also considerable room for argument as to the extent to which Marxism is inextricable from the crimes of Stalin or Capitalism is from the crimes of the Belgian Congo, whereas Fascism is defined to a considerable extent (at least in the minds of people) by its association with with mass murder.
- Miner49er 6y agoTrue. When people starve to death, or die in prison, etc, under Marxist countries, the deaths are attributed to Marxism. When the same happens in liberal, capitalist countries, or due to those countries imperialism, the deaths don't seem to be attributed to liberalism or capitalism.
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago> When the same happens in liberal, capitalist countries, or due to those countries imperialism, the deaths don't seem to be attributed to liberalism or capitalism. Probably because it wouldn’t make sense to attribute the effects of imperialism or anti-liberal, anti-capitalist policies to liberal capialism; whereas the Marxists took over specifically in the basis that they claimed to be able to have better living conditions and fewer deaths and less suffering than capitalism. Surely you can understand that we are interested in how poorly they have failed to live up to this promise.
- Miner49er 6y ago> effects of imperialism or anti-liberal, anti-capitalist policies to liberal capialism; I don't what you're saying. Are you saying that imperialism is anti-capitalist?
- chordalkeyboard 6y agoYes, imperialism is where a government exerts political and economic control over another different country. Capitalism is a system of private ownership of the means of production. Clearly, these systems are in opposition.
- Miner49er 6y agoImperialism is often done for capitalism. Look at Hawaii for imperialism done for basically purely capitalist reasons.
- chordalkeyboard 6y agoIt seems like in Hawaii they expropriated lots of people, which is a violation of private property. Private property is a necessary prerequisite for capitalism so I’m sure that it’s not correct to say that “imperialism is often done for capitalism” as its an oxymoron. “We had to destroy the village in order to save it”.
- jimmyvalmer 6y agoYou're right, American incursions against native peoples and Mexico exhibit utter disregard for the sanctity of property rights. It's an egregious mischaracterization to call the U.S. a bastion of capitalism.
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago> American incursions against native peoples and Mexico exhibit utter disregard for the sanctity of property rights. I would express this as “human rights” and I agree. > It's an egregious mischaracterization to call the U.S. a bastion of capitalism Agreed.
- jimmyvalmer 6y agoNew one! Many denigrate Marxism because it aligns so well with fascism (state above all). Similarly, many vilify capitalism because it aligns so well with imperialism (let's get rich from Africa, Arabia, India, etc.).
- chordalkeyboard 6y agoWhat’s odd is calling it capitalism when its the same as the communism: you see something you want and you take it.