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The actual quote from Mossberg is much more polite than the submission title would suggest: "I have yet to test a single [Android phone] where Flash works reall

The actual quote from Mossberg is much more polite than the submission title would suggest: "I have yet to test a single [Android phone] where Flash works really well. I’m sorry. They struggle on those Android devices."

zmmmmm 15y ago
Why do I suspect Mossberg's statement could be reduced to? I have yet to test a single [Android phone] Ok, cheap shot, but I really think he's not actually tried it on high end phones with reasonable flash apps that are designed for mobile use. Yes, if you go to cnn.com which fully expects to be running on a desktop it stutters. It stutters on some desktop computers too. But go to the mobile games sites that specialize in Flash games for phones - and many of them are great.
- jakeludington 15y ago
  Flash is pretty lousy even on the 4G Android phones. Plenty of browser crashes all over the place. That said, at least Flash support is there.
  - bradshaw1965 15y ago
    ...That said, at least Flash support is there. I hear that argument a lot, but I've never found myself where a kludge of a technology really saved the day. I lump it with the web browser on the Kindle where the idea of having it available is much more interesting then even the desert island use of the tech.
    - MatthewPhillips 15y ago
      That's because it's not a "kludge of a technology". It works most of the time, doesn't some times, and has bad problems (locking up your browser, crashing, etc.) on the minority of times. A lot of anti-Flash people, for whatever reason, translate the bad occurrences as "blows" or some other hyperbole.
      - bradshaw1965 15y ago
        I've seen some compiled flash air apps that are useful, but we'll just have to disagree on the utility of it in the browser.
- staunch 15y ago
  His entire argument for Flash is that you don't have to rewrite your app for different platforms.
  - zmmmmm 15y ago
    No. You're mixing in a different definition of "platform" here to include hardware profile. A flash app designed to run well on one mobile device will probably run well on other mobile devices with little or no modification. On the other hand a flash app designed to run well on a desktop probably is not going to run well on mobile hardware. But then probably neither will any app built on any technology that was designed to make use of desktop level hardware.
    - zmmmmm 15y ago
      Well, it's interesting to see my comment sink down to negative territory. Here's the exact quote from Narayen in the linked article: > The value proposition Flash has is that we allow people to author programs once and get them to as many devices as possible He says "devices", clearly indicating that he is arguing the value proposition is to deploy across multiple phone (or mobile device) platforms, not some kind of write-once-run-anywhere proposition that works across desktop and mobile.
      - urbanjunkie 15y ago
        He's used the phrase "multiple devices" before, and he's clearly referring to more than mobile phones. In this interview from last year he states [1] "The world is emerging where there are multiple devices [...] to access the internet Mobile devices are certainly a big part of it, tablet devices will be a part of it, televisions and PCs..." the more these platforms adopt flash, they won't have to do anything else. It will just work" Seems pretty clear to me. [1] http://www.flashstreamworks.com/archive.php?post_id=127265398 http://www.flashstreamworks.com/archive.php?post_id=12726539...
watty 15y ago
Are you suggesting the article from "cultofmac.com" is slightly sensational and bias?

zmmmmm 15y ago

Why do I suspect Mossberg's statement could be reduced to? I have yet to test a single [Android phone] Ok, cheap shot, but I really think he's not actually tried it on high end phones with reasonable flash apps that are designed for mobile use. Yes, if you go to cnn.com which fully expects to be running on a desktop it stutters. It stutters on some desktop computers too. But go to the mobile games sites that specialize in Flash games for phones - and many of them are great.

jakeludington 15y ago
Flash is pretty lousy even on the 4G Android phones. Plenty of browser crashes all over the place. That said, at least Flash support is there.
- bradshaw1965 15y ago
  ...That said, at least Flash support is there. I hear that argument a lot, but I've never found myself where a kludge of a technology really saved the day. I lump it with the web browser on the Kindle where the idea of having it available is much more interesting then even the desert island use of the tech.
  - MatthewPhillips 15y ago
    That's because it's not a "kludge of a technology". It works most of the time, doesn't some times, and has bad problems (locking up your browser, crashing, etc.) on the minority of times. A lot of anti-Flash people, for whatever reason, translate the bad occurrences as "blows" or some other hyperbole.
    - bradshaw1965 15y ago
      I've seen some compiled flash air apps that are useful, but we'll just have to disagree on the utility of it in the browser.
staunch 15y ago
His entire argument for Flash is that you don't have to rewrite your app for different platforms.
- zmmmmm 15y ago
  No. You're mixing in a different definition of "platform" here to include hardware profile. A flash app designed to run well on one mobile device will probably run well on other mobile devices with little or no modification. On the other hand a flash app designed to run well on a desktop probably is not going to run well on mobile hardware. But then probably neither will any app built on any technology that was designed to make use of desktop level hardware.
  - zmmmmm 15y ago
    Well, it's interesting to see my comment sink down to negative territory. Here's the exact quote from Narayen in the linked article: > The value proposition Flash has is that we allow people to author programs once and get them to as many devices as possible He says "devices", clearly indicating that he is arguing the value proposition is to deploy across multiple phone (or mobile device) platforms, not some kind of write-once-run-anywhere proposition that works across desktop and mobile.
    - urbanjunkie 15y ago
      He's used the phrase "multiple devices" before, and he's clearly referring to more than mobile phones. In this interview from last year he states [1] "The world is emerging where there are multiple devices [...] to access the internet Mobile devices are certainly a big part of it, tablet devices will be a part of it, televisions and PCs..." the more these platforms adopt flash, they won't have to do anything else. It will just work" Seems pretty clear to me. [1] http://www.flashstreamworks.com/archive.php?post_id=127265398 http://www.flashstreamworks.com/archive.php?post_id=12726539...

watty 15y ago

Are you suggesting the article from "cultofmac.com" is slightly sensational and bias?