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Media files extracted from North Korea's Red Star OS

200 points by da_big_ghey 6y ago

dewey 6y ago
There's also a fun talk about the OS from 2015's CCC: https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7174-lifting_the_fog_on_red_star_os#t=797 https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7174-lifting_the_fog_on_red_star...
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4cao 6y ago
Except the files with Korean names in Backgrounds/* and Wallpapers/*, everything else seems to be generic. Names of the said files ran through Google Translate, with some minor corrections to the English output (I don't know any Korean): Dabaksol Guard Post Snowy Scene 다박솔초소의 설경 Sea of Potato Flowers in Taehongdan 대홍단의 감자꽃바다 Mt Paektu Sunrise 백두산의 해돋이 Beom'an-ri Scenery 범안리의 선경 Echo of Woollim Falls 울림폭포의 메아리 Night View of Changja River 장자강의 불야경 Azaleas of Cheoryeong 철령의 철쭉 The Horizon of the Handdreval 한드레벌의 지평선 Fly Higher 더 높이 날아라 Dandelion 민들레 Mt Paektu Heaven Lake 백두산천지 Blue Sky 푸른 하늘 Landscape Painting 풍경화 Edit: Incorporated corrections from @sanxiyn and @terrorOf below
- terrorOf 6y ago
  corrections: 다박솔초소의 설경 - snowy scene of guard post Dabaksol 장자강 - river(강) Changja [Zhangjiagang spelling looks very Chinese-y] 백두산 천지 - the crater lake on top of the mountain baekdu is called that
  - 4cao 6y ago
    Thank you for the corrections, I've edited the parent post. The lake on top of the Baekdu (Paektu?) Mountain appears to be called Heaven Lake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_Lake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_Lake (Not sure why your comment was downvoted but I vouched for it, so it's back now, hopefully for good.)
- sanxiyn 6y ago
  South Korea and North Korea use different romanization schemes. So for example, 대홍단 is properly romanized https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taehongdan_County https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taehongdan_County. ("Agriculture is also key, with the county leading the nation in potato production.") Google Translate (as expected) seems unaware that it should use North Korean rominzation scheme to romanize North Korean place names.
  - 4cao 6y ago
    I'm aware there are different romanization systems but not sure which is which. I've corrected Taehongdan. I guess it should say Paektu not Baekdu too? Update: Paektu appears to be the DPRK spelling. Source: http://sori.org/hangul/romanizations.html#Roman_Consonants http://sori.org/hangul/romanizations.html#Roman_Consonants
- Igelau 6y ago
  > Dabaksol Guard Post Snowy Scene That's the only one in the set that didn't let me down. It looks like someone took a Thomas Kinkade diner placemat and asked an 8 year-old to put some cannons on it.
  - blacksmith_tb 6y ago
    Agreed, the birds are an especially nice touch[1] (clearly not doves of peace). 1: https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Backgrounds/images/%EC%84%A0%EA%B5%B08%EA%B2%BD/%EB%8B%A4%EB%B0%95%EC%86%94%EC%B4%88%EC%86%8C%EC%9D%98%20%EC%84%A4%EA%B2%BD.jpg https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Backgr...
    - nrp 6y ago
      Those are 까치, Korean Magpie. It's a somewhat common and culturally important bird in Korea.
      - tomrod 6y ago
        What do they signify?
        sanxiyn 6y ago
        They usually signify Korean people themselves.
        yongjik 6y ago
        I don't think they signify much, but they're considered cute little friendly buds in Korea.
    - JohnJamesRambo 6y ago
      I can't stop laughing at this image. I keep telling myself it can't be real but it is. Also particularly fond of these sweet tractors. https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Backgrounds/images/%EC%84%A0%EA%B5%B08%EA%B2%BD/%ED%95%9C%EB%93%9C%EB%A0%88%EB%B2%8C%EC%9D%98%20%EC%A7%80%ED%8F%89%EC%84%A0.jpg https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Backgr...
- jonathankoren 6y ago
  About the only thing juche about these is Mt Paektu. The mountain is important in Korean folklore, and is featured prominently on North Korea’s seal. Due to its spiritual significance, it is the mythological birthplace of Kim Jong-il[0]. (He was actually born in the Soviet Union.) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-il https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-il
- twic 6y ago
  Nice picture of a country scene: https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Wallpapers/%EB%8D%94%20%EB%86%92%EC%9D%B4%20%EB%82%A0%EC%95%84%EB%9D%BC.jpg https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Wallpa... Nice picture of a country scene after the kite was denounced as a counter-revolutionary conspirator: https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Wallpapers/%EB%AF%BC%EB%93%A4%EB%A0%88.jpg https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Wallpa...
tomcooks 6y ago
Isn't this a violation of copyright? Assuming edia is protected by international law even when you don't particularly like the nation that produced said content.
- unicornporn 6y ago
  Copyright is bourgeoisie concept. Ask Kim.
  - joshuaissac 6y ago
    North Korea has local copyright laws and is a signatory to the Berne Convention.
    - da_big_ghey 6y ago
      And yet, Red Star OS does not open-source any upstream contributions. I'm sure there were some modifications made that were not disclosed in compliance with applicable licenses.
      - sudosysgen 6y ago
        IIRC it's mostly bog-standard. Most of their modifications are either simply changing the branding, changing the i18n files, or adding custom software. That said, it would probably be quite fun to send GPL-compliance requests for source code, I almost want to try :)
        da_big_ghey 6y ago
        Hah, someone ought to tell rms. If anyone would actually go to N. Korea and confront Kim, it would be him. Or maybe the gov't could go after N. Korea on the license violation under the Berne convention? Like tax evasion bringing down Al Capone, though I'm sure it wouldn't work.
    - phjesusthatguy3 6y ago
tehjoker 6y ago
Say what you will, but these are really pretty photos. It's a shame that we so rarely see NK culture except as ways to incite non-Koreans. It would be nice if we could see more about how ordinary people live, festivals, etc.
- Symbiote 6y ago
  On this image (mentioned above), every single window is lit. That seems staged to me. https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Backgrounds/images/%EC%84%A0%EA%B5%B08%EA%B2%BD/%EC%9E%A5%EC%9E%90%EA%B0%95%EC%9D%98%20%EB%B6%88%EC%95%BC%EA%B2%BD.jpg https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Backgr...
  - Scramblejams 6y ago
    Not staged in real life, but poorly Photoshopped.
  - idownvoted 6y ago
    Fake it is. Now I want you to imagine why the WPK thinks that a cityscape at dusk with lit windows might be good propaganda? Why something that seems boringly mundane to us, is something to brag about for the regime? Something that may uplift the OS's users ie. it makes them subconciously dream of something exotic like we do when our screensavers show us the great barrier reef. Can you spot the "exotic"-part?
    - geofft 6y ago
      If you applied this level of extrapolation to US-based OSes, you'd conclude that Windows XP users have never seen green grass or a blue sky in person (they even call it "Bliss," an obvious attempt to play with the emotions of a despondent populace) and that Mac users can only dream of experiencing a proper day and night cycle, a tragic effect of smog, light pollution, and a culture of working indoors under artificial light.
      - idownvoted 6y ago
monocasa 6y ago
If you find the aesthetic choices here interesting, I can recommend the book Made in North Korea: Graphics From Everyday Life in the DPRK, a collection primarily of consumer packaging from North Korea.
ahmedfromtunis 6y ago
I wish it was possible to live in Backgrounds/images/선군8경's North Korea. Alas, it's but a fantasy.
zython 6y ago
I hope the author has removed all meta-data or otherwise reencoded the images such that no traceback is possible to the source to the OS. There was a talk [1] that IIRC mentioned that some userid is "baked" into the OS and its apps and can potentially be traced back to an individual. [1]: https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7174-lifting_the_fog_on_red_star_os#t=797 https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7174-lifting_the_fog_on_red_star...
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  This is almost certainly from the ISO that is already online. Some Chinese person on a forum told me once that they went to North Korea and were able to just buy the OS at a store, but I don't know how accurate this is.
  - Kaze404 6y ago
    Considering they can purchase phone apps very easily on convenience stores, that seems reasonable to me.
dmt0 6y ago
Obligatory, for ease of browsing: https://github1s.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/ https://github1s.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/
- notRobot 6y ago
  Ooh, neat!
Amin3456 6y ago
How to Take Care of Betta Fish https://bit.ly/2Zqahul https://bit.ly/2Zqahul
reaperducer 6y ago
My guess is the sign on the hill doesn't read "H O L L Y W O O D." https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Backgrounds/images/선군8경/범안리의%20선경.jpg https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Backgr...
- TazeTSchnitzel 6y ago
  I watched a YouTube video of a train journey through the DPRK. There were signs of that exact kind very frequently. I think they have slogans along the lines of “Long Live the Korean Workers' Party!” from what I remember, though the one in that image doesn't seem to contain the right characters for that. There was probably another slogan that I forgot.
- userbinator 6y ago
  I think it's praising the Kims.
- sanxiyn 6y ago
  It reads 위대한 령도자 김정일 동지 만세! or Hail Great Leader Comrade Kim Jong Il!
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    "Leader Comrade" is a hilarious pair of words
dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
This one is more interesting: https://github.com/takeshixx/redstar-tools https://github.com/takeshixx/redstar-tools
pp19dd 6y ago
Wallpapers: Background01.jpg: cropped stock photo - https://tineye.com/search/175c2f3b87139c4d3bc47ed955f147eed674df06?sort=crawl_date&order=asc&page=1 https://tineye.com/search/175c2f3b87139c4d3bc47ed955f147eed6... Background02.jpg: cropped istock - https://tineye.com/search/a3f7a9618a4b53a69ccfeb6f7d6fc91652f0c71d?sort=crawl_date&order=asc&page=1 https://tineye.com/search/a3f7a9618a4b53a69ccfeb6f7d6fc91652... Background03.jpg: cropped stock photo and they photoshopped the horse out - https://tineye.com/search/9d46057bc0a47472b1212b2487b48b5192c2c3f1?sort=crawl_date&order=asc&page=1 https://tineye.com/search/9d46057bc0a47472b1212b2487b48b5192... Background04.jpg: I won't even bother, obvious HST photo Background05.jpg: same, color adjusted Background06.jpg: stock - https://tineye.com/search/a1846966840fc9d6d3b4aec0a3422650bc4a9b7d?sort=crawl_date&order=asc&page=1 https://tineye.com/search/a1846966840fc9d6d3b4aec0a3422650bc... Background07.jpg: same as photo #2, but cropped in a different place Background08.jpg: ? Background09.jpg: stock, https://tineye.com/search/f2d4c13975818a67557f56a0b1184a1a9be33329?sort=crawl_date&order=asc&page=1 https://tineye.com/search/f2d4c13975818a67557f56a0b1184a1a9b...
- SeriousM 6y ago
  Thank you for checking this. I really expected to see copyright infringements.
- spiantino 6y ago
  FWIW, those photos (4,5) of the Andromeda galaxy aren't from the HST. The Andromeda galaxy is about 6 times larger in the sky than the moon, so those are most likely from an amateur with a telescope (looking at the diffraction spikes, a reflector). Decent work, nothing special.
  - pp19dd 6y ago
    Huh, and thank you. I stand corrected. I'd immediately recognized it from NASA's apod from the olden days, but did not absorb the copyright line: https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap051222.html https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap051222.html 2005: "Credit & Copyright: Robert Gendler"

200 points by da_big_ghey 6y ago

There's also a fun talk about the OS from 2015's CCC: https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7174-lifting_the_fog_on_red_star_os#t=797 https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7174-lifting_the_fog_on_red_star...

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4cao 6y ago

Except the files with Korean names in Backgrounds/* and Wallpapers/*, everything else seems to be generic. Names of the said files ran through Google Translate, with some minor corrections to the English output (I don't know any Korean): Dabaksol Guard Post Snowy Scene 다박솔초소의 설경 Sea of Potato Flowers in Taehongdan 대홍단의 감자꽃바다 Mt Paektu Sunrise 백두산의 해돋이 Beom'an-ri Scenery 범안리의 선경 Echo of Woollim Falls 울림폭포의 메아리 Night View of Changja River 장자강의 불야경 Azaleas of Cheoryeong 철령의 철쭉 The Horizon of the Handdreval 한드레벌의 지평선 Fly Higher 더 높이 날아라 Dandelion 민들레 Mt Paektu Heaven Lake 백두산천지 Blue Sky 푸른 하늘 Landscape Painting 풍경화 Edit: Incorporated corrections from @sanxiyn and @terrorOf below

terrorOf 6y ago
corrections: 다박솔초소의 설경 - snowy scene of guard post Dabaksol 장자강 - river(강) Changja [Zhangjiagang spelling looks very Chinese-y] 백두산 천지 - the crater lake on top of the mountain baekdu is called that
- 4cao 6y ago
  Thank you for the corrections, I've edited the parent post. The lake on top of the Baekdu (Paektu?) Mountain appears to be called Heaven Lake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_Lake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_Lake (Not sure why your comment was downvoted but I vouched for it, so it's back now, hopefully for good.)
sanxiyn 6y ago
South Korea and North Korea use different romanization schemes. So for example, 대홍단 is properly romanized https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taehongdan_County https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taehongdan_County. ("Agriculture is also key, with the county leading the nation in potato production.") Google Translate (as expected) seems unaware that it should use North Korean rominzation scheme to romanize North Korean place names.
- 4cao 6y ago
  I'm aware there are different romanization systems but not sure which is which. I've corrected Taehongdan. I guess it should say Paektu not Baekdu too? Update: Paektu appears to be the DPRK spelling. Source: http://sori.org/hangul/romanizations.html#Roman_Consonants http://sori.org/hangul/romanizations.html#Roman_Consonants
Igelau 6y ago
> Dabaksol Guard Post Snowy Scene That's the only one in the set that didn't let me down. It looks like someone took a Thomas Kinkade diner placemat and asked an 8 year-old to put some cannons on it.
- blacksmith_tb 6y ago
  Agreed, the birds are an especially nice touch[1] (clearly not doves of peace). 1: https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Backgrounds/images/%EC%84%A0%EA%B5%B08%EA%B2%BD/%EB%8B%A4%EB%B0%95%EC%86%94%EC%B4%88%EC%86%8C%EC%9D%98%20%EC%84%A4%EA%B2%BD.jpg https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Backgr...
  - nrp 6y ago
    Those are 까치, Korean Magpie. It's a somewhat common and culturally important bird in Korea.
    - tomrod 6y ago
      What do they signify?
      - sanxiyn 6y ago
        They usually signify Korean people themselves.
      - yongjik 6y ago
        I don't think they signify much, but they're considered cute little friendly buds in Korea.
  - JohnJamesRambo 6y ago
    I can't stop laughing at this image. I keep telling myself it can't be real but it is. Also particularly fond of these sweet tractors. https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Backgrounds/images/%EC%84%A0%EA%B5%B08%EA%B2%BD/%ED%95%9C%EB%93%9C%EB%A0%88%EB%B2%8C%EC%9D%98%20%EC%A7%80%ED%8F%89%EC%84%A0.jpg https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Backgr...
jonathankoren 6y ago
About the only thing juche about these is Mt Paektu. The mountain is important in Korean folklore, and is featured prominently on North Korea’s seal. Due to its spiritual significance, it is the mythological birthplace of Kim Jong-il[0]. (He was actually born in the Soviet Union.) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-il https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-il
twic 6y ago
Nice picture of a country scene: https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Wallpapers/%EB%8D%94%20%EB%86%92%EC%9D%B4%20%EB%82%A0%EC%95%84%EB%9D%BC.jpg https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Wallpa... Nice picture of a country scene after the kite was denounced as a counter-revolutionary conspirator: https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Wallpapers/%EB%AF%BC%EB%93%A4%EB%A0%88.jpg https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Wallpa...

tomcooks 6y ago

Isn't this a violation of copyright? Assuming edia is protected by international law even when you don't particularly like the nation that produced said content.

unicornporn 6y ago
Copyright is bourgeoisie concept. Ask Kim.
- joshuaissac 6y ago
  North Korea has local copyright laws and is a signatory to the Berne Convention.
  - da_big_ghey 6y ago
    And yet, Red Star OS does not open-source any upstream contributions. I'm sure there were some modifications made that were not disclosed in compliance with applicable licenses.
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      IIRC it's mostly bog-standard. Most of their modifications are either simply changing the branding, changing the i18n files, or adding custom software. That said, it would probably be quite fun to send GPL-compliance requests for source code, I almost want to try :)
      - da_big_ghey 6y ago
        Hah, someone ought to tell rms. If anyone would actually go to N. Korea and confront Kim, it would be him. Or maybe the gov't could go after N. Korea on the license violation under the Berne convention? Like tax evasion bringing down Al Capone, though I'm sure it wouldn't work.
  - phjesusthatguy3 6y ago

tehjoker 6y ago

Say what you will, but these are really pretty photos. It's a shame that we so rarely see NK culture except as ways to incite non-Koreans. It would be nice if we could see more about how ordinary people live, festivals, etc.

Symbiote 6y ago
On this image (mentioned above), every single window is lit. That seems staged to me. https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Backgrounds/images/%EC%84%A0%EA%B5%B08%EA%B2%BD/%EC%9E%A5%EC%9E%90%EA%B0%95%EC%9D%98%20%EB%B6%88%EC%95%BC%EA%B2%BD.jpg https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Backgr...
- Scramblejams 6y ago
  Not staged in real life, but poorly Photoshopped.
- idownvoted 6y ago
  Fake it is. Now I want you to imagine why the WPK thinks that a cityscape at dusk with lit windows might be good propaganda? Why something that seems boringly mundane to us, is something to brag about for the regime? Something that may uplift the OS's users ie. it makes them subconciously dream of something exotic like we do when our screensavers show us the great barrier reef. Can you spot the "exotic"-part?
  - geofft 6y ago
    If you applied this level of extrapolation to US-based OSes, you'd conclude that Windows XP users have never seen green grass or a blue sky in person (they even call it "Bliss," an obvious attempt to play with the emotions of a despondent populace) and that Mac users can only dream of experiencing a proper day and night cycle, a tragic effect of smog, light pollution, and a culture of working indoors under artificial light.
    - idownvoted 6y ago

monocasa 6y ago

If you find the aesthetic choices here interesting, I can recommend the book Made in North Korea: Graphics From Everyday Life in the DPRK, a collection primarily of consumer packaging from North Korea.

ahmedfromtunis 6y ago

I wish it was possible to live in Backgrounds/images/선군8경's North Korea. Alas, it's but a fantasy.

zython 6y ago

I hope the author has removed all meta-data or otherwise reencoded the images such that no traceback is possible to the source to the OS. There was a talk [1] that IIRC mentioned that some userid is "baked" into the OS and its apps and can potentially be traced back to an individual. [1]: https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7174-lifting_the_fog_on_red_star_os#t=797 https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7174-lifting_the_fog_on_red_star...

sudosysgen 6y ago
This is almost certainly from the ISO that is already online. Some Chinese person on a forum told me once that they went to North Korea and were able to just buy the OS at a store, but I don't know how accurate this is.
- Kaze404 6y ago
  Considering they can purchase phone apps very easily on convenience stores, that seems reasonable to me.

dmt0 6y ago

Obligatory, for ease of browsing: https://github1s.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/ https://github1s.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/

notRobot 6y ago
Ooh, neat!

Amin3456 6y ago

How to Take Care of Betta Fish https://bit.ly/2Zqahul https://bit.ly/2Zqahul

reaperducer 6y ago

My guess is the sign on the hill doesn't read "H O L L Y W O O D." https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Backgrounds/images/선군8경/범안리의%20선경.jpg https://github.com/BlackOtton/RedStar-Media/blob/main/Backgr...

TazeTSchnitzel 6y ago
I watched a YouTube video of a train journey through the DPRK. There were signs of that exact kind very frequently. I think they have slogans along the lines of “Long Live the Korean Workers' Party!” from what I remember, though the one in that image doesn't seem to contain the right characters for that. There was probably another slogan that I forgot.
userbinator 6y ago
I think it's praising the Kims.
sanxiyn 6y ago
It reads 위대한 령도자 김정일 동지 만세! or Hail Great Leader Comrade Kim Jong Il!
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  "Leader Comrade" is a hilarious pair of words

dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago

This one is more interesting: https://github.com/takeshixx/redstar-tools https://github.com/takeshixx/redstar-tools

pp19dd 6y ago

Wallpapers: Background01.jpg: cropped stock photo - https://tineye.com/search/175c2f3b87139c4d3bc47ed955f147eed674df06?sort=crawl_date&order=asc&page=1 https://tineye.com/search/175c2f3b87139c4d3bc47ed955f147eed6... Background02.jpg: cropped istock - https://tineye.com/search/a3f7a9618a4b53a69ccfeb6f7d6fc91652f0c71d?sort=crawl_date&order=asc&page=1 https://tineye.com/search/a3f7a9618a4b53a69ccfeb6f7d6fc91652... Background03.jpg: cropped stock photo and they photoshopped the horse out - https://tineye.com/search/9d46057bc0a47472b1212b2487b48b5192c2c3f1?sort=crawl_date&order=asc&page=1 https://tineye.com/search/9d46057bc0a47472b1212b2487b48b5192... Background04.jpg: I won't even bother, obvious HST photo Background05.jpg: same, color adjusted Background06.jpg: stock - https://tineye.com/search/a1846966840fc9d6d3b4aec0a3422650bc4a9b7d?sort=crawl_date&order=asc&page=1 https://tineye.com/search/a1846966840fc9d6d3b4aec0a3422650bc... Background07.jpg: same as photo #2, but cropped in a different place Background08.jpg: ? Background09.jpg: stock, https://tineye.com/search/f2d4c13975818a67557f56a0b1184a1a9be33329?sort=crawl_date&order=asc&page=1 https://tineye.com/search/f2d4c13975818a67557f56a0b1184a1a9b...

SeriousM 6y ago
Thank you for checking this. I really expected to see copyright infringements.
spiantino 6y ago
FWIW, those photos (4,5) of the Andromeda galaxy aren't from the HST. The Andromeda galaxy is about 6 times larger in the sky than the moon, so those are most likely from an amateur with a telescope (looking at the diffraction spikes, a reflector). Decent work, nothing special.
- pp19dd 6y ago
  Huh, and thank you. I stand corrected. I'd immediately recognized it from NASA's apod from the olden days, but did not absorb the copyright line: https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap051222.html https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap051222.html 2005: "Credit & Copyright: Robert Gendler"