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>Telegram Also seems to be deeply distrusted by authoritarian states which to me is a green flag. e.g. it's banned in Iran and Russia

• merlinscholz 6y ago
  It is also inherently insecure and offers no encryption by default, and not at all in group chats, which to me is a red flag.
  • s_dev 6y ago
    >It is also inherently insecure How is it inherently insecure when it provides encrypted chat? Defaults are a powerful way to influence user behavior and there is good reason to have the chat not encrypted. It facilitates quick searching of keywords which for many chat users is an important feature. Many people chose to write things down or have discussion in text so they don't have to remember. If users want E2E by default they are free to use another service or just coninually use Secret Chat.
    • mantap 6y ago
      Insecure by default is the same as insecure. Imagine if your internet banking worked the same way. By default anybody can take money out of your account. But if you jump through some hoops you can set up authentication. Nobody would accept that and rightly so because it is the default security level that matters not the highest one. WhatsApp is much more popular than Telegram and it has E2E by default, so any argument that users won't accept E2E by default doesn't hold water.
      • s_dev 6y ago
        >Insecure by default is the same as insecure. A bad workman blames his tools. Simply understanding about how it works would prevent this situation. This is all based on the assumption that "WhatsApp" is secure -- yet nobody is able to inspect it for themselves really.
        • user-the-name 6y ago
          People using chat apps are not "workmen".
• teknologist 6y ago
  It's banned in China too