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In just a few days after 9/11, we learned many details of the plot and action. We saw the gallery of faces of the hijackers, with their names. We knew when and

In just a few days after 9/11, we learned many details of the plot and action. We saw the gallery of faces of the hijackers, with their names. We knew when and how they boarded the planes. And more. Over a month has passed since 1/6, and we don't have much more info now than we did the day it happened. Most still is just from various clips presented by the media (and the house impeachment managers?!). We still have heard no justice department or FBI press briefing with any details. For weeks we heard about a "bludgeoning" with a fire extinguisher that evidently didn't happen (though the officer did die... somehow). Hard to regain trust or unify this way.

lambada 6y ago
I think that's the media you're consuming rather than any silence from the FBI etc. https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence is a fairly comprehensive overview including: - links to lists from the justice department of who has been charged with what crimes, and supporting documents. - a list of photos from footage showing people the FBI are seeking further information about, along with a general category as to why (assault on media / assault of a federal officer). - a whole list of press releases the FBI has put out about the investigation.
onli 6y ago
That's not a big mystery. Rather a Nebelkerze. The NYT wrote this about the murder, at https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/brian-sicknick-police-capitol-dies.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/brian-sicknick-police-...: > Law enforcement officials initially said Mr. Sicknick was struck with a fire extinguisher, but weeks later, police sources and investigators were at odds over whether he was hit. Medical experts have said he did not die of blunt force trauma, according to one law enforcement official. “He returned to his division office and collapsed,” the Capitol Police said in the statement. “He was taken to a local hospital, where he succumbed to his injuries.” As horrible as that is, uncertainty of how it happened is to be expected in such a chaos. More interesting: Why weren't the officials on the radio, why are there videos out there of police letting rioters in directly in front of the capitol, why was there no support, why wasn't the intelligence about the impending terrorist attack shared? Was an armed response even considered? The corruption is completely obvious and evident, only incompetence can explain parts of it away. The article shines a light on what happened that day and covers those thoughts, that makes it interesting.
notahacker 6y ago
The 9/11 attackers were a small, organised group who had to take ID with them. But still in the immediate aftermath there was a fair bit of debate about which Islamist faction they represented (including a false claim of responsibility), mistaken identity claims about at least one of the hijackers and plenty of confusion over what on earth happened on Flight 93 as well as question marks about the speed of security responses that have arguably never had a satisfactory answer. Not to mention numerous sillier arguments about jet fuel being unable to melt steel beams cropping up in various corners of the internet. The Capitol invaders were a much larger number of people from overlapping groups some more planned than others and some apparently with more explicit [and less successful] goals than others, and some likely guilty of greater crimes than others so it's a less straightforward narrative. Especially since most of those identified as involved expect a fair trial. Also, the hijackers weren't praised by the POTUS and instinctively sympathised with by much of US media, which didn't have the same instincts to either push false flag angles or to question whether the security response might have been deliberately sabotaged.
generj 6y ago
I think it’s harder to have succinct press conferences when there are hundreds of terrorists instead of 19. The FBI/Justice Department have been busy identifying, charging, and arresting hundreds of insurrectionists. Details on many of the individuals actions are present in court filings, which some media have been reporting on. Admittedly not as digestible to the public but ultimately more important.

lambada 6y ago

I think that's the media you're consuming rather than any silence from the FBI etc. https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence is a fairly comprehensive overview including: - links to lists from the justice department of who has been charged with what crimes, and supporting documents. - a list of photos from footage showing people the FBI are seeking further information about, along with a general category as to why (assault on media / assault of a federal officer). - a whole list of press releases the FBI has put out about the investigation.

onli 6y ago

That's not a big mystery. Rather a Nebelkerze. The NYT wrote this about the murder, at https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/brian-sicknick-police-capitol-dies.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/brian-sicknick-police-...: > Law enforcement officials initially said Mr. Sicknick was struck with a fire extinguisher, but weeks later, police sources and investigators were at odds over whether he was hit. Medical experts have said he did not die of blunt force trauma, according to one law enforcement official. “He returned to his division office and collapsed,” the Capitol Police said in the statement. “He was taken to a local hospital, where he succumbed to his injuries.” As horrible as that is, uncertainty of how it happened is to be expected in such a chaos. More interesting: Why weren't the officials on the radio, why are there videos out there of police letting rioters in directly in front of the capitol, why was there no support, why wasn't the intelligence about the impending terrorist attack shared? Was an armed response even considered? The corruption is completely obvious and evident, only incompetence can explain parts of it away. The article shines a light on what happened that day and covers those thoughts, that makes it interesting.

notahacker 6y ago

The 9/11 attackers were a small, organised group who had to take ID with them. But still in the immediate aftermath there was a fair bit of debate about which Islamist faction they represented (including a false claim of responsibility), mistaken identity claims about at least one of the hijackers and plenty of confusion over what on earth happened on Flight 93 as well as question marks about the speed of security responses that have arguably never had a satisfactory answer. Not to mention numerous sillier arguments about jet fuel being unable to melt steel beams cropping up in various corners of the internet. The Capitol invaders were a much larger number of people from overlapping groups some more planned than others and some apparently with more explicit [and less successful] goals than others, and some likely guilty of greater crimes than others so it's a less straightforward narrative. Especially since most of those identified as involved expect a fair trial. Also, the hijackers weren't praised by the POTUS and instinctively sympathised with by much of US media, which didn't have the same instincts to either push false flag angles or to question whether the security response might have been deliberately sabotaged.

generj 6y ago

I think it’s harder to have succinct press conferences when there are hundreds of terrorists instead of 19. The FBI/Justice Department have been busy identifying, charging, and arresting hundreds of insurrectionists. Details on many of the individuals actions are present in court filings, which some media have been reporting on. Admittedly not as digestible to the public but ultimately more important.