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The public is already predisposed to believing any hacking claims targeted at Sony at the moment. I wouldn't exactly frame their actions as reckless or lacking

by 9999 15y ago

The public is already predisposed to believing any hacking claims targeted at Sony at the moment. I wouldn't exactly frame their actions as reckless or lacking in logic either. How about malicious? I am particularly put off by this line: "This is disgraceful and insecure: they were asking for it." I get it, they have poor security, as a customer, this makes me really angry. But the general tone there is kind of similar to what you get when people accuse rape victims of being complicit in the rape. "She was askin' for it!"

niels_olson 15y ago
> tone there is kind of similar to what you get when people accuse rape victims of being complicit Not when there are hostile state actors who have presumably been enjoying that access for years without publishing it. These guys just told us about it.
kbatten 15y ago
This seems more comparable to a bunch of people finally ganging up to beat the shit out of a bully who had a history of treating weaker individuals badly.
- Splines 15y ago
  More like the bully has someone smaller in a headlock and you light both of them on fire.
shubble 15y ago
That's sort of like saying that software piracy is theft. Blaming victims for rape is dangerous because it discourages victims from coming forward, and adds to intense feelings of shame and guilt that come with sexual violation. It also tends to come with suggestions that women should restrict their behavior, not seeking to be attractive or acting in 'risky' stereotypically male ways. Criticizing a cooperation for failing to follow security best practice, and speculating about the effect of outsourcing or technology is completely different. I'd say that as a lot of people here run websites, it's probably a good idea too.
- 9999 15y ago
  I probably should not have used rape as the example there. What I was really trying to convey is that a crime was committed, and the perpetrators have set things up to shift the public's blame to Sony.

by 9999 15y ago

niels_olson 15y ago

> tone there is kind of similar to what you get when people accuse rape victims of being complicit Not when there are hostile state actors who have presumably been enjoying that access for years without publishing it. These guys just told us about it.

kbatten 15y ago

This seems more comparable to a bunch of people finally ganging up to beat the shit out of a bully who had a history of treating weaker individuals badly.

Splines 15y ago
More like the bully has someone smaller in a headlock and you light both of them on fire.

shubble 15y ago

That's sort of like saying that software piracy is theft. Blaming victims for rape is dangerous because it discourages victims from coming forward, and adds to intense feelings of shame and guilt that come with sexual violation. It also tends to come with suggestions that women should restrict their behavior, not seeking to be attractive or acting in 'risky' stereotypically male ways. Criticizing a cooperation for failing to follow security best practice, and speculating about the effect of outsourcing or technology is completely different. I'd say that as a lot of people here run websites, it's probably a good idea too.

9999 15y ago
I probably should not have used rape as the example there. What I was really trying to convey is that a crime was committed, and the perpetrators have set things up to shift the public's blame to Sony.