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Israel has competition between several private healthcare providers. That fact makes them agile and efficient than most places in the world (e.g. Britain's NHS

Israel has competition between several private healthcare providers. That fact makes them agile and efficient than most places in the world (e.g. Britain's NHS ). The army has nothing to do with the vaccine rollout.

mytailorisrich 6y ago
That's quite irrelevant to the point. And in fact the UK are also doing very well with vaccine rollout (and the army is involved). In Israel, where everyone has received a military training and is ready to organise, the IDF is of course very involved in the vaccine rollout though the Home Front Command. The supply of the vaccine is also controlled by the government, not private healthcare providers. But my point was not even this. It was about how to consider the pandemic and its potential consequences as part of the internal government's discussions on how to respond and then the capacity to act quickly. I have no doubt that Israel has deemed Covid a very serious threat to national security and has thus mobilised accordingly using their experience of the de facto continuous state of war or at least high alert to organise and act quickly and effectively.
- eladFrizi 6y ago
  IDF isn't involved in the vaccine rollout. And if your point was right, the lockdowns in Israel would have been much more effective and on time. The reality is the the first lockdown was removed too early, and the other lockdowns started too late with lame enforcement. Everyone who watches news in Israel can tell you that.
  - mytailorisrich 6y ago
    the involvement of the health plans in periodic drills of responses to military bioterror exercises [32] have apparently honed their capacity to work with the IDF and other organizations in emergency situations. In addition to nurses employed by the health plans, supplemental staff were recruited from the Home Front Command of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), private companies, and others. In the current vaccination campaign, the Home Front Command of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) is playing several vital roles. It is responsible for ultra-cold storage of the vaccines in a central location, transporting those vaccines to a large number of vaccination sites, and also organizing vaccination sites in small localities [1] IDF facilities have also provided 50% of all covid tests. [1] https://ijhpr.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13584-021-00440-6 https://ijhpr.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13584-021-...
    - eladFrizi 6y ago
      The fact that healthcare providers could use external staff such as IDF medics only strengthen my point. Even though is just a drop in the ocean of the vaccine task force. I haven't seen any other resource says IDF transporting the vaccines. Teva is the responsible of that and it's not an issue. Neither about anyone who is not soldier and got vaccine at IDF. The Covid tests in Israel are nothing to be proud of.
      - helge9210 6y ago
        There is no such thing as "external IDF medics". If you're putting some medic in uniform you have to pull him from some healthcare provider or hospital.
        melkhior 6y ago
        Why? Some people who are recruited as medics into IDF wouldn't have thought about being medics before that. They also have to serve their Army service either way.
        helge9210 6y ago
        Those who are on active duty are... on active duty. So you have to pull someone from the reserve. So instead of doing what they are doing at normal jobs they would be doing what IDF tells them to do. And no one would be doing their normal jobs.
        smileybarry 6y ago
        Right, except a IDF medic in reserve may not work in healthcare day-to-day. Similar to combat soldiers, intelligence officers and listeners -- all working a different job since they finished military service.
tguvot 6y ago
My mother got injected by combat medic in uniforms. You can count it as involvement in rollout

mytailorisrich 6y ago

That's quite irrelevant to the point. And in fact the UK are also doing very well with vaccine rollout (and the army is involved). In Israel, where everyone has received a military training and is ready to organise, the IDF is of course very involved in the vaccine rollout though the Home Front Command. The supply of the vaccine is also controlled by the government, not private healthcare providers. But my point was not even this. It was about how to consider the pandemic and its potential consequences as part of the internal government's discussions on how to respond and then the capacity to act quickly. I have no doubt that Israel has deemed Covid a very serious threat to national security and has thus mobilised accordingly using their experience of the de facto continuous state of war or at least high alert to organise and act quickly and effectively.

eladFrizi 6y ago
IDF isn't involved in the vaccine rollout. And if your point was right, the lockdowns in Israel would have been much more effective and on time. The reality is the the first lockdown was removed too early, and the other lockdowns started too late with lame enforcement. Everyone who watches news in Israel can tell you that.
- mytailorisrich 6y ago
  the involvement of the health plans in periodic drills of responses to military bioterror exercises [32] have apparently honed their capacity to work with the IDF and other organizations in emergency situations. In addition to nurses employed by the health plans, supplemental staff were recruited from the Home Front Command of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), private companies, and others. In the current vaccination campaign, the Home Front Command of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) is playing several vital roles. It is responsible for ultra-cold storage of the vaccines in a central location, transporting those vaccines to a large number of vaccination sites, and also organizing vaccination sites in small localities [1] IDF facilities have also provided 50% of all covid tests. [1] https://ijhpr.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13584-021-00440-6 https://ijhpr.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13584-021-...
  - eladFrizi 6y ago
    The fact that healthcare providers could use external staff such as IDF medics only strengthen my point. Even though is just a drop in the ocean of the vaccine task force. I haven't seen any other resource says IDF transporting the vaccines. Teva is the responsible of that and it's not an issue. Neither about anyone who is not soldier and got vaccine at IDF. The Covid tests in Israel are nothing to be proud of.
    - helge9210 6y ago
      There is no such thing as "external IDF medics". If you're putting some medic in uniform you have to pull him from some healthcare provider or hospital.
      - melkhior 6y ago
        Why? Some people who are recruited as medics into IDF wouldn't have thought about being medics before that. They also have to serve their Army service either way.
        helge9210 6y ago
        Those who are on active duty are... on active duty. So you have to pull someone from the reserve. So instead of doing what they are doing at normal jobs they would be doing what IDF tells them to do. And no one would be doing their normal jobs.
        smileybarry 6y ago
        Right, except a IDF medic in reserve may not work in healthcare day-to-day. Similar to combat soldiers, intelligence officers and listeners -- all working a different job since they finished military service.

tguvot 6y ago

My mother got injected by combat medic in uniforms. You can count it as involvement in rollout