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To give some balance. Just as I got my second jab and waiting the 10min needed for surveillance. (Tel Aviv, Israel) > Israel feels like the only nation taking
by rock_artist 6y ago
To give some balance. Just as I got my second jab and waiting the 10min needed for surveillance. (Tel Aviv, Israel)
> Israel feels like the only nation taking the importance and urgency of vaccination seriously.
It's a mixed situation here.
* Israel supposedly paid 3 times more than others per shot (but if it works, it's cheaper than the economy losses).
* Israel has free public health care.
* All public health care databases are connected.
* Pfizer gets very detailed annoymized dataset.
* centralization means the health care also hospitalization covered by health care and connected to database.
* Israel is a small country. I can easily cover it by 7hrs drive bottom top.
All those helped get enough jabs.
Yet,
There's enough population that don't social distance / comply to basics such as wearing a mask (even indoor!). Some population even did huge events during lockdowns with zero enforcement.
Hope this gives some proportion.
- scrollaway 6y agoThanks for the added context!
- Papirola 6y agothanks!
- jacquesm 6y ago> Israel supposedly paid 3 times more than others per shot More than that even, closer to a factor of 10. https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/the-cost-of-vaccinating-israel-nis-1-billion-655088 https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/the-cost-of-vaccinating-is... $47 / head! VS closer to $5 in other countries.
- oblio 6y agoIt's still cheap in the grand scheme of things.
- maxerickson 6y agoThe mRNA vaccines cost more everywhere. Given the better efficacy, I think the comparison doesn't boil down to a single number very well.
- azinman2 6y agoIf it saves lives and gets their economy back to normal, that was the right call. Meanwhile we’re discussing sending multi-thousand dollar checks in the US because of Covid.
- maxerickson 6y agoThe US has administered 5x the vaccines as Israel. It's not that likely that a comparable investment from the US would have accelerated vaccine availability to the same extent as happened with Israel, which was able to get substantial shipment in part because the US invested a lot in the mRNA vaccines, and in part because the EU waffled about making orders.
- jimsmart 6y ago> The US has administered 5x the vaccines as Israel. To put that into context: the US has a population ~36x the population of Israel.
- davidf18 6y agoUSA paid about $20 per dose for Pfizer, $15 per dose for Moderna. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu-coronavirus-vaccines-cheaper-than-united-states/2020/12/18/06677e34-4139-11eb-b58b-1623f6267960_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu-coronavirus-vaccines... Paying $100 for 2 doses at 9 million Israelis comes to less than $1 billion. Paying $40 for 2 doses in US for 300 million comes to $12 billion. The USA national health budget is $3.7 trillion.
- smileybarry 6y agoThe mRNA vaccines are about $20 per shot[1], making it $40 / head, "MSRP". 1: https://observer.com/2020/11/covid19-vaccine-price-pfizer-moderna-astrazeneca-oxford/ https://observer.com/2020/11/covid19-vaccine-price-pfizer-mo...
- f6v 6y agoBelgium is a small, densely populated country. One of the highest average salaries in Europe. Not to mention great universities and flourishing biotech sector. Bottom line: this country can afford to pay for, and should be able to produce a lot of vaccines. Yet it doesn’t, I guess it’s some kind of EU bureaucracy thing. The UK seems to be doing much better since they’re not tied by the EU supply strategy.
- Dma54rhs 6y agoThere are not enough vaccines at the moment anyway since EU failed miserably at getting them. You can't really make a massive effort of maybe even asking military to help etc if there are not enough jabs. Then it's smarter to use the ones you have in q strategic manner.
- bushbaba 6y agoSure but the EU still failed in securing supply from the available manufacturing capabilities. Instead they were de prioritized in the list.