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It is just sad that all these hackers think they're doing everybody a favor by attacking "evil corporations" like Sony. But while they may be right in exposing

by Joakim 15y ago

It is just sad that all these hackers think they're doing everybody a favor by attacking "evil corporations" like Sony. But while they may be right in exposing Sony's lousy security, meanwhile they hurt one million people by releasing their information out into the public in a way that can never be taken back. Unless you think hurting one company you deem bad outweighs hurting a million innocent private citizens, then your priorities are a bit messed up.

citricsquid 15y ago
Also they're ignoring the employees of Sony they're hurting too. If Sony loses money, it's not the management who get hurt, it's the low level employees. It's such a shame we now parade these people as heros, when a few years ago they would have been berated for not disclosing this information properly.
tsuraan 15y ago
Every Sony customer is an inadvertent supporter of Sony's abuses, and most of them don't care about Sony's morality, they just love the products. If hackers make being a Sony customer unpleasant, then they may be able to hurt Sony's bottom line. It seems far more likely to work than an online petition or boycott...
- Pooter 15y ago
  Yeah! Who gives a fuck about people and how this affects them! The important part is the ongoing battle against Sony for the atrocities they commit. Each and every person who suffers as the result of these kinds of attacks has whatever happens to them coming for not being part of The Cause. They must pay!
- Wickk 15y ago
  >If hackers make being a Sony customer unpleasant Unpleasant is the word your choosing to use? Having my credit card information that links to my bank account, and the only bank account I have, and then having that fucked with is more than unpleasant. I'm thankful when the PSN network was compromised I wasn't one of those people with the claims of large sums of money being circulated out of the bank. ( Yes I know, could easily be coincidental evidence. Not the point. ) By all means the cause is more than plausible with Sony's abysmal track record. The methods are absurd and obnoxious, but by all means keep hiding behind this tired old excuse that the end result is to hurt Sony. The people you're trying to help will have no sympathy when you're caught and sentenced.
  - tsuraan 15y ago
    Unpleasant is the word your choosing to use? Irritating, painful, expensive? Choose your favorite word to describe your experience as a Sony customer, I guess. but by all means keep hiding behind this tired old excuse that the end result is to hurt Sony It's not an excuse, it's a hope. I sincerely hope that this will hurt Sony's bottom line in the near future. I hope that some time soon, the general public will associate Sony with being screwed over, and that they factor that in with the price of that shiny PS3 they want. I hope that Sony will be humbled and beg customers to come back, rather than treating them like shit. This is hardly the first time Sony's customers have been screwed by Sony's customer-hostile policies, so I don't expect it, but I certainly do hope for it. The people you're trying to help will have no sympathy when you're caught and sentenced. When I'm caught and sentenced? For schadenfreude, or do you think I'm behind this attack? My handle is easily associated with my meatspace ID; if anybody that mattered thought I was behind this, I'd most certainly be chatting with the FBI right now instead of with you.
    - Wickk 15y ago
      >Irritating, painful, expensive? Choose your favorite word to describe your experience as a Sony customer, I guess. Disruptive. I've been going paperless( in regards to money )since 2008, this was a flat out disruption on my day to day life. >This is hardly the first time Sony's customers have been screwed by Sony's customer-hostile policies, so I don't expect it, but I certainly do hope for it. Sony's abysmal history is public knowledge, that still had little choice in the limited choice I had with buying a gaming system. >When I'm caught and sentenced? For schadenfreude, or do you think I'm behind this attack? Kudos for missing that hyperbole. By all means keep downvoting me. How many of you disagreeing with my point about the extremity of these methods were effected by any this? That's what I thought.
pyre 15y ago
If they didn't release the information: 1) Sony would just accuse them of lying and people (the general public) would just believe Sony over a bunch of anonymous hackers. 2) Change doesn't happen unless people get off their butts. This is a way to motivate that change. I don't necessarily agree with it, but you're talking as if there is no logic behind this other than recklessness.
- 9999 15y ago
  The public is already predisposed to believing any hacking claims targeted at Sony at the moment. I wouldn't exactly frame their actions as reckless or lacking in logic either. How about malicious? I am particularly put off by this line: "This is disgraceful and insecure: they were asking for it." I get it, they have poor security, as a customer, this makes me really angry. But the general tone there is kind of similar to what you get when people accuse rape victims of being complicit in the rape. "She was askin' for it!"
  - niels_olson 15y ago
    > tone there is kind of similar to what you get when people accuse rape victims of being complicit Not when there are hostile state actors who have presumably been enjoying that access for years without publishing it. These guys just told us about it.
  - kbatten 15y ago
    This seems more comparable to a bunch of people finally ganging up to beat the shit out of a bully who had a history of treating weaker individuals badly.
    - Splines 15y ago
      More like the bully has someone smaller in a headlock and you light both of them on fire.
  - shubble 15y ago
    That's sort of like saying that software piracy is theft. Blaming victims for rape is dangerous because it discourages victims from coming forward, and adds to intense feelings of shame and guilt that come with sexual violation. It also tends to come with suggestions that women should restrict their behavior, not seeking to be attractive or acting in 'risky' stereotypically male ways. Criticizing a cooperation for failing to follow security best practice, and speculating about the effect of outsourcing or technology is completely different. I'd say that as a lot of people here run websites, it's probably a good idea too.
brad22 15y ago
an obvious troll is obvious
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Tyrant505 15y ago
Agreed. However, I think the scariest risks are governments becomes more justified in unconstitutional(USA) policies, which effect all of us on more substantial levels.
n09n 15y ago
Considering Sony's lack of security, it would be careless not to assume that the information is already in the hands of the malicious hackers. A group of mischievous ones publicly releasing it doesn't add much harm, and publicizes the fact that your information is not secure in a way that makes people take notice.

by Joakim 15y ago

citricsquid 15y ago

Also they're ignoring the employees of Sony they're hurting too. If Sony loses money, it's not the management who get hurt, it's the low level employees. It's such a shame we now parade these people as heros, when a few years ago they would have been berated for not disclosing this information properly.

tsuraan 15y ago

Every Sony customer is an inadvertent supporter of Sony's abuses, and most of them don't care about Sony's morality, they just love the products. If hackers make being a Sony customer unpleasant, then they may be able to hurt Sony's bottom line. It seems far more likely to work than an online petition or boycott...

Pooter 15y ago
Yeah! Who gives a fuck about people and how this affects them! The important part is the ongoing battle against Sony for the atrocities they commit. Each and every person who suffers as the result of these kinds of attacks has whatever happens to them coming for not being part of The Cause. They must pay!
Wickk 15y ago
>If hackers make being a Sony customer unpleasant Unpleasant is the word your choosing to use? Having my credit card information that links to my bank account, and the only bank account I have, and then having that fucked with is more than unpleasant. I'm thankful when the PSN network was compromised I wasn't one of those people with the claims of large sums of money being circulated out of the bank. ( Yes I know, could easily be coincidental evidence. Not the point. ) By all means the cause is more than plausible with Sony's abysmal track record. The methods are absurd and obnoxious, but by all means keep hiding behind this tired old excuse that the end result is to hurt Sony. The people you're trying to help will have no sympathy when you're caught and sentenced.
- tsuraan 15y ago
  Unpleasant is the word your choosing to use? Irritating, painful, expensive? Choose your favorite word to describe your experience as a Sony customer, I guess. but by all means keep hiding behind this tired old excuse that the end result is to hurt Sony It's not an excuse, it's a hope. I sincerely hope that this will hurt Sony's bottom line in the near future. I hope that some time soon, the general public will associate Sony with being screwed over, and that they factor that in with the price of that shiny PS3 they want. I hope that Sony will be humbled and beg customers to come back, rather than treating them like shit. This is hardly the first time Sony's customers have been screwed by Sony's customer-hostile policies, so I don't expect it, but I certainly do hope for it. The people you're trying to help will have no sympathy when you're caught and sentenced. When I'm caught and sentenced? For schadenfreude, or do you think I'm behind this attack? My handle is easily associated with my meatspace ID; if anybody that mattered thought I was behind this, I'd most certainly be chatting with the FBI right now instead of with you.
  - Wickk 15y ago
    >Irritating, painful, expensive? Choose your favorite word to describe your experience as a Sony customer, I guess. Disruptive. I've been going paperless( in regards to money )since 2008, this was a flat out disruption on my day to day life. >This is hardly the first time Sony's customers have been screwed by Sony's customer-hostile policies, so I don't expect it, but I certainly do hope for it. Sony's abysmal history is public knowledge, that still had little choice in the limited choice I had with buying a gaming system. >When I'm caught and sentenced? For schadenfreude, or do you think I'm behind this attack? Kudos for missing that hyperbole. By all means keep downvoting me. How many of you disagreeing with my point about the extremity of these methods were effected by any this? That's what I thought.

pyre 15y ago

If they didn't release the information: 1) Sony would just accuse them of lying and people (the general public) would just believe Sony over a bunch of anonymous hackers. 2) Change doesn't happen unless people get off their butts. This is a way to motivate that change. I don't necessarily agree with it, but you're talking as if there is no logic behind this other than recklessness.

9999 15y ago
The public is already predisposed to believing any hacking claims targeted at Sony at the moment. I wouldn't exactly frame their actions as reckless or lacking in logic either. How about malicious? I am particularly put off by this line: "This is disgraceful and insecure: they were asking for it." I get it, they have poor security, as a customer, this makes me really angry. But the general tone there is kind of similar to what you get when people accuse rape victims of being complicit in the rape. "She was askin' for it!"
- niels_olson 15y ago
  > tone there is kind of similar to what you get when people accuse rape victims of being complicit Not when there are hostile state actors who have presumably been enjoying that access for years without publishing it. These guys just told us about it.
- kbatten 15y ago
  This seems more comparable to a bunch of people finally ganging up to beat the shit out of a bully who had a history of treating weaker individuals badly.
  - Splines 15y ago
    More like the bully has someone smaller in a headlock and you light both of them on fire.
- shubble 15y ago
  That's sort of like saying that software piracy is theft. Blaming victims for rape is dangerous because it discourages victims from coming forward, and adds to intense feelings of shame and guilt that come with sexual violation. It also tends to come with suggestions that women should restrict their behavior, not seeking to be attractive or acting in 'risky' stereotypically male ways. Criticizing a cooperation for failing to follow security best practice, and speculating about the effect of outsourcing or technology is completely different. I'd say that as a lot of people here run websites, it's probably a good idea too.

brad22 15y ago

an obvious troll is obvious

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Tyrant505 15y ago

Agreed. However, I think the scariest risks are governments becomes more justified in unconstitutional(USA) policies, which effect all of us on more substantial levels.

n09n 15y ago

Considering Sony's lack of security, it would be careless not to assume that the information is already in the hands of the malicious hackers. A group of mischievous ones publicly releasing it doesn't add much harm, and publicizes the fact that your information is not secure in a way that makes people take notice.