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Is there a particular reason people are focused on revenging Sony?

henrikschroder 15y ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment_America_v._George_Hotz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment_Ame...
- mtw 15y ago
  so why isn't there anything done against Apple? Apple's lawyers are on the back of anyone who makes white iPhone cases, jailbreakers, etc.
  - abronte 15y ago
    Apple has gone after jailbreakers? Thats news to me. Geohot has hacked (as far as I know) almost every iDevice Apple has put out, but Apple didn't take him to court because of it.
    - mtw 15y ago
      I didn't say that Apple took them to court. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/07/jailbreak/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/07/jailbreak/ I am just saying that Apple is using every means available to them to prevent other people using their software or hardware in a different way.
      - bigiain 15y ago
        Do you really think that's true? My impression is more like they're doing just enough to convince groups like the RIAA and MPAA that they're "followinusingusty best practice" until such a time that they are in a powerful enough position to admit "actually, we don't care much about your DRM and your failing business model, it's upsetting our users so it's gone." like they did with the DRM on iTunes music. Maybe Jobs's Pixar relationship will make Apple's movie industry support stronger than their music industry support turned out to be, but long term who knows?
  - sjs 15y ago
    When did Apple sue iOS jailbreakers? Did it go to court or did the defendants settle? edit: Nevermind, looks like they haven't actually sued any jailbreakers.
    - mtw 15y ago
      did I mention Apple suing iOS jailbreakers?
      - sorbus 15y ago
        > Apple's lawyers are on the back of anyone who makes white iPhone cases, jailbreakers, etc. Yes, you did.
  - radicaldreamer 15y ago
    First, selling unofficial/unreleased parts with an Apple logo on them and jailbreaking are completely different. You can sell all the cases and backplates you want, but you can't start putting someone else's trademarks on them. Second, Apple hasn't sued any jailbreakers.
    - fleitz 15y ago
      Ironically, geohotz was a very prolific jailbreaker as well.
    - city41 15y ago
      I'd also be willing to bet Apple isn't very susceptible to SQL injection nor do I suspect they store passwords in plaintext.
      - moe 15y ago
        And your bet is based on what? Looking at the URLs that iTunes and friends use behind the scenes it doesn't seem like the apple web-stuff was built by competent programmers either. Try a few random clicks on https://iforgot.apple.com https://iforgot.apple.com and look at the url-bar and firebug to get an idea.
    - deleted 15y ago
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  - shubble 15y ago
    I don't think a rational justification is really important to these people, but I believe a lot of the initial anger came from sony removing features from the original playstation. A major feature, removed by automatic patching, as a non-legal reaction to a previous jail beak attempt, was the ability to run a second OS such as linux. You might recall stories about people using networks of play-stations running linux, with their unusual cell processor architecture, to crack wpa, or model the weather. This wasn't to sony's benefit. The playstation was a cheap way of getting the cell chip rather than buying blades full of them from IBM, absolutely because sony sold the consoles below cost and hoped to make the money back from game royalties. The ability to run pirate, or unlicensed home-brew games threatened sonys ability to recoup this money from normal users, so they pulled second OS. A lot of users chose the playstation over alternatives because it would run linux. It was a nice dual use 'TV media PC' and console. Sony removed the feature that they paid money for. The users were upset, probably more upset than they were by the hotz thing which was a bit abstract. But I don't think these hackers cared, personally.
  - duairc 15y ago
    I wish people would do this stuff to Apple...
  - afterburner 15y ago
    Apple actually treads carefully with the jailbreak thing. It's cat and mouse security and patching games, not suing people, and since the government ruling that allows jailbreaking (for now), they haven't even said they are fighting jailbreakers (which they used to, at least for PR purposes to please developers).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment_America_v._George_Hotz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment_Ame...

mtw 15y ago
so why isn't there anything done against Apple? Apple's lawyers are on the back of anyone who makes white iPhone cases, jailbreakers, etc.
- abronte 15y ago
  Apple has gone after jailbreakers? Thats news to me. Geohot has hacked (as far as I know) almost every iDevice Apple has put out, but Apple didn't take him to court because of it.
  - mtw 15y ago
    I didn't say that Apple took them to court. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/07/jailbreak/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/07/jailbreak/ I am just saying that Apple is using every means available to them to prevent other people using their software or hardware in a different way.
    - bigiain 15y ago
      Do you really think that's true? My impression is more like they're doing just enough to convince groups like the RIAA and MPAA that they're "followinusingusty best practice" until such a time that they are in a powerful enough position to admit "actually, we don't care much about your DRM and your failing business model, it's upsetting our users so it's gone." like they did with the DRM on iTunes music. Maybe Jobs's Pixar relationship will make Apple's movie industry support stronger than their music industry support turned out to be, but long term who knows?
- sjs 15y ago
  When did Apple sue iOS jailbreakers? Did it go to court or did the defendants settle? edit: Nevermind, looks like they haven't actually sued any jailbreakers.
  - mtw 15y ago
    did I mention Apple suing iOS jailbreakers?
    - sorbus 15y ago
      > Apple's lawyers are on the back of anyone who makes white iPhone cases, jailbreakers, etc. Yes, you did.
- radicaldreamer 15y ago
  First, selling unofficial/unreleased parts with an Apple logo on them and jailbreaking are completely different. You can sell all the cases and backplates you want, but you can't start putting someone else's trademarks on them. Second, Apple hasn't sued any jailbreakers.
  - fleitz 15y ago
    Ironically, geohotz was a very prolific jailbreaker as well.
  - city41 15y ago
    I'd also be willing to bet Apple isn't very susceptible to SQL injection nor do I suspect they store passwords in plaintext.
    - moe 15y ago
      And your bet is based on what? Looking at the URLs that iTunes and friends use behind the scenes it doesn't seem like the apple web-stuff was built by competent programmers either. Try a few random clicks on https://iforgot.apple.com https://iforgot.apple.com and look at the url-bar and firebug to get an idea.
  - deleted 15y ago
    [deleted]
- shubble 15y ago
  I don't think a rational justification is really important to these people, but I believe a lot of the initial anger came from sony removing features from the original playstation. A major feature, removed by automatic patching, as a non-legal reaction to a previous jail beak attempt, was the ability to run a second OS such as linux. You might recall stories about people using networks of play-stations running linux, with their unusual cell processor architecture, to crack wpa, or model the weather. This wasn't to sony's benefit. The playstation was a cheap way of getting the cell chip rather than buying blades full of them from IBM, absolutely because sony sold the consoles below cost and hoped to make the money back from game royalties. The ability to run pirate, or unlicensed home-brew games threatened sonys ability to recoup this money from normal users, so they pulled second OS. A lot of users chose the playstation over alternatives because it would run linux. It was a nice dual use 'TV media PC' and console. Sony removed the feature that they paid money for. The users were upset, probably more upset than they were by the hotz thing which was a bit abstract. But I don't think these hackers cared, personally.
- duairc 15y ago
  I wish people would do this stuff to Apple...
- afterburner 15y ago
  Apple actually treads carefully with the jailbreak thing. It's cat and mouse security and patching games, not suing people, and since the government ruling that allows jailbreaking (for now), they haven't even said they are fighting jailbreakers (which they used to, at least for PR purposes to please developers).