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Policy concerning covid diagnosis is not relevant when the metric under discussion is excess mortality.

by cygx 6y ago

BrendanEich 6y ago
I agree (modulo "top" vs. "bottom" when we're talking about worse being greater-than), but your "at the bottom of the Nordics" was not about excess mortality.
- cygx 6y ago
  Quote: "It is somewhat suggestive that none of Sweden's direct neighbours show significant excess mortality in 2020..." Also, I wonder what you mean by Norway disavowing lockdowns? Because they did institute fairly strict measures on March 12, eventually going so far as forbidding people to travel to their cabins to avoid putting strain on rural infrastructure. Was there some sort of public disavowal after the fact?
  - BrendanEich 6y ago
    The “bottom of the pack” was in reference to ourworldindata cumulative Covid deaths (counted differently in different countries). Could you please link me to the multi-country excess morality data?
    - cygx 6y ago
      > Could you please link me to the multi-country excess morality data? Not sure if there's something better, I just clicked through https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-death-count?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&country=~SWE&region=World https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-deat... via 'Change country'. As the graphs can be misleading due to the different scaling of the y-axis depending on the country, I also pulled the data and did my own analysis, eg comparing 'Sweden' against 'all Nordics' and 'all Nordics but Sweden'. For Denmark, Finland and Norway combined, there were fewer deaths at the beginning of the year compared to the previous 5-year average, and a bit more deaths in April and May - basically a wash, ie 'no worse than the flu'. The situation in Sweden is different, with significant excess mortality.
      - BrendanEich 6y ago
        Thanks. Any age-cohort data?
        cygx 6y ago
        No, my own dive down the Covid rabbit hole has been fairly shallow so far (I used to keep track of local numbers, but eventually stopped; a couple of weeks ago, I looked at excess mortality in the Nordics because Sweden continued to pop up in online discussions).

Policy concerning covid diagnosis is not relevant when the metric under discussion is excess mortality.

by cygx 6y ago

Policy concerning covid diagnosis is not relevant when the metric under discussion is excess mortality.

I agree (modulo "top" vs. "bottom" when we're talking about worse being greater-than), but your "at the bottom of the Nordics" was not about excess mortality.

cygx 6y ago
Quote: "It is somewhat suggestive that none of Sweden's direct neighbours show significant excess mortality in 2020..." Also, I wonder what you mean by Norway disavowing lockdowns? Because they did institute fairly strict measures on March 12, eventually going so far as forbidding people to travel to their cabins to avoid putting strain on rural infrastructure. Was there some sort of public disavowal after the fact?
- BrendanEich 6y ago
  The “bottom of the pack” was in reference to ourworldindata cumulative Covid deaths (counted differently in different countries). Could you please link me to the multi-country excess morality data?
  - cygx 6y ago
    > Could you please link me to the multi-country excess morality data? Not sure if there's something better, I just clicked through https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-death-count?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&country=~SWE&region=World https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-deat... via 'Change country'. As the graphs can be misleading due to the different scaling of the y-axis depending on the country, I also pulled the data and did my own analysis, eg comparing 'Sweden' against 'all Nordics' and 'all Nordics but Sweden'. For Denmark, Finland and Norway combined, there were fewer deaths at the beginning of the year compared to the previous 5-year average, and a bit more deaths in April and May - basically a wash, ie 'no worse than the flu'. The situation in Sweden is different, with significant excess mortality.
    - BrendanEich 6y ago
      Thanks. Any age-cohort data?
      - cygx 6y ago
        No, my own dive down the Covid rabbit hole has been fairly shallow so far (I used to keep track of local numbers, but eventually stopped; a couple of weeks ago, I looked at excess mortality in the Nordics because Sweden continued to pop up in online discussions).