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by BrendanEich 6y ago
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&country=SWE~NOR~FIN~DNK~EST~LVA~LTU~GBR®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&aligned=true&hideControls=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToS... (Baltics and UK added for perspective).
The fact is Sweden lies in middle of the Eurozone pack. It had low excess mortality in recent years, which left many very old people likely to die of/with Covid if they were not protected. I'm not switching topics to defend Sweden's policy. My note was about pop. density.
If you want to go at it about Sweden vs. other countries in Scandinavia, we can take it to Twitter:
https://twitter.com/geenlid/status/1360771792105730049 https://twitter.com/geenlid/status/1360771792105730049 (thread)
https://twitter.com/jhnhellstrom/status/1354051901751484419 https://twitter.com/jhnhellstrom/status/1354051901751484419 (radial excess mortality plot)
- cygx 6y agoThe fact is Sweden lies in middle of the Eurozone pack. But at the bottom of the Nordics: It is somewhat suggestive that none of Sweden's direct neighbours show significant excess mortality in 2020...
- BrendanEich 6y agoThere are differences among these countries, but first, let's talk about reporting. Sweden says any death within a month of a Covid diagnosis (no PCR+ required, another can of worms) is due to Covid. Other Nordics are less sloppy. This makes Sweden count more deaths. Finland is a hot mess on all health stats. Norway has done better but also disavowed lockdowns.
- cygx 6y agoPolicy concerning covid diagnosis is not relevant when the metric under discussion is excess mortality.
- BrendanEich 6y agoI agree (modulo "top" vs. "bottom" when we're talking about worse being greater-than), but your "at the bottom of the Nordics" was not about excess mortality.
- cygx 6y agoQuote: "It is somewhat suggestive that none of Sweden's direct neighbours show significant excess mortality in 2020..." Also, I wonder what you mean by Norway disavowing lockdowns? Because they did institute fairly strict measures on March 12, eventually going so far as forbidding people to travel to their cabins to avoid putting strain on rural infrastructure. Was there some sort of public disavowal after the fact?
- BrendanEich 6y agoThe “bottom of the pack” was in reference to ourworldindata cumulative Covid deaths (counted differently in different countries). Could you please link me to the multi-country excess morality data?
- cygx 6y ago> Could you please link me to the multi-country excess morality data? Not sure if there's something better, I just clicked through https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-death-count?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&country=~SWE®ion=World https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-deat... via 'Change country'. As the graphs can be misleading due to the different scaling of the y-axis depending on the country, I also pulled the data and did my own analysis, eg comparing 'Sweden' against 'all Nordics' and 'all Nordics but Sweden'. For Denmark, Finland and Norway combined, there were fewer deaths at the beginning of the year compared to the previous 5-year average, and a bit more deaths in April and May - basically a wash, ie 'no worse than the flu'. The situation in Sweden is different, with significant excess mortality.
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