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I follow you on Twitter and think some of your ideas are great. That being said, a lot of the COVID graphs you retweet ignore population density and contend tha

I follow you on Twitter and think some of your ideas are great. That being said, a lot of the COVID graphs you retweet ignore population density and contend that COVID isn’t a pandemic. (Some suggesting it’s the same as a cold.) Also, flatly saying that mask mandates don’t work is wrong. The evidence is (and has been) that they are effective if used properly. (Don’t touch them, wash hands, and single use or clean them.) Unfortunately, lots of people don’t use them properly and that lessens their effectiveness. You have retweeted things implying that masks don’t work.

BrendanEich 6y ago
I don't believe I've ever said "it's the same as a cold" or linked to anything saying that. Cite it if you can. I don't delete but I'll quote-tweet it to correct the record. If you can't cite, as I suspect, what are you doing here? Population density early tweet: https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1259222845353103360?s=20 https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1259222845353103360?s... (worth a look at the linked thread). Pop. density, latent immunity due to ancient CoVs (this seems to matter a lot in Asia), other particulars do not excuse the NYC and NY state record. Also you hear people claim Sweden has low density but that's not the case. Your second paragraph shows you didn't read the comment from me to which you replied, in particular this part: "NPIs don't much affect disease progression. Correlation is not causation but anti-correlation is a big problem for those arguing masks help: https://rationalground.com/mask-charts/ https://rationalground.com/mask-charts/ https://rationalground.com/more-mask-charts/ https://rationalground.com/more-mask-charts/" What "The evidence is (and has been)" do you mean? Cite it. Use those famous hyperlinks we worked so hard to make useful back in the day at Netscape. Ignoring what I wrote and asserting your assumptions is not helpful.
- invisible 6y ago
  Hopefully 0-10 help illuminate what I’m talking about. I think 11 and 12 point to masks being a good idea. The graphs you linked ignore population density and seasonal increases in transmission of viruses. An increase after a mask mandate isn’t proof that the mandate had no impact. 0. https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1360069067017748480?s=21 https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1360069067017748480?s=21 — “Reminder: with flu and RSV down ~98% and replaced by COVID, which is far less dangerous to children, we are in literally the mildest respiratory illness season for children in recorded history.” 1. https://twitter.com/brendaneich/status/1336918916895965185?s=21 https://twitter.com/brendaneich/status/1336918916895965185?s... 2. https://twitter.com/brendaneich/status/1336920895344975873?s=21 https://twitter.com/brendaneich/status/1336920895344975873?s... 3. https://twitter.com/brendaneich/status/1335840898807070720?s=21 https://twitter.com/brendaneich/status/1335840898807070720?s... 4. https://twitter.com/brendaneich/status/1335346330500141056?s=21 https://twitter.com/brendaneich/status/1335346330500141056?s... 5. https://twitter.com/davidbcollum/status/1329789976683409408?s=21 https://twitter.com/davidbcollum/status/1329789976683409408?... 6. https://twitter.com/ianmsc/status/1333851832205012992?s=21 https://twitter.com/ianmsc/status/1333851832205012992?s=21 7. https://twitter.com/hold2llc/status/1328879434456330242?s=21 https://twitter.com/hold2llc/status/1328879434456330242?s=21 8. https://twitter.com/ewoodhouse7/status/1323115034239737856?s=21 https://twitter.com/ewoodhouse7/status/1323115034239737856?s... 9. https://twitter.com/ianmsc/status/1320811573682728960?s=21 https://twitter.com/ianmsc/status/1320811573682728960?s=21 10. I can’t go back far enough, but there were a series of graphs from EthicalSkeptic which seemed less than ethical. 11. https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1279750/retrieve https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1279750/retrieve 12. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-si...
  - BrendanEich 6y ago
    You wrote "(Some suggesting it’s the same as a cold.)" and I asked you to cite even one tweet saying "it's the same as a cold". None of the links you gave says any such thing. Were you lying? You seem upset about tweets that I RTed or replied to, which I can and will defend, but you can't attack them on substance. In particular, your [0], from https://twitter.com/kerpen https://twitter.com/kerpen, is correct per CDC Flu and RSV monitoring. Those viruses are way down in 2020, no one knows exactly why, but given antibody studies, it seems SARS2 spread widely and preempted them, possibly in the human nose (not lungs). This needs more study but it is nothing like saying "it's just the cold". Kerpen is right (again, CDC has IFR by age figures) that Flu and RSV are much deadlier than Covid for children. So you don't like my opinions but you can't refute them, yet you can gather a bunch of tweet-links. What's the point? If we are not going to argue substance, all you've done is identify me as on Team Reality. But we knew that. What's up?
    - invisible 6y ago
      There are multiple replies and retweets that compare COVID-19 to flus/colds in a “COVID-19 is the same” context. Or suggesting that drastic measures are unwarranted or unreasonable. The kerpen tweet thread is troubling because it suggests that the CDC is both providing accurate data and that they are only providing guidance for political reasons. So they aren’t lying, but they are? Then he compares COVID-19 to the flu and cold, ignoring that transmission by children can affect adults. Here is another one (in addition to the one above about children): > No lockdown in 2017-2018 cold season! https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1335873383209177088?s=2 https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1335873383209177088?s... That is ignoring that the fatality rate and transmission rate is significantly higher in COVID-19. Maybe all of these things comparing the equivalence of the cold and COVID-19 mean nothing to you, but they seem significant to me. Perhaps you’ll defend these by saying, “in isolation this data is accurate.” That point falls flat when taken in context to our situation — they are marketing a perspective. You asked me for some citations for my comments and then criticized that I provided citations for why I said what I said. Nobody said you’re on “Team Reality” but you. (Oh, and also: I can’t go back further than 10/10 on your tweets but there were a number of retweets from EthicalSkeptic saying that the death count was a lie and suggesting that COVID-19 wasn’t a big deal.) Edit: Here is a comment from someone in the thread discussed. This is the “subtext” I see. https://twitter.com/MarkChangizi/status/1282074580350312450?s=20 https://twitter.com/MarkChangizi/status/1282074580350312450?...

BrendanEich 6y ago

I don't believe I've ever said "it's the same as a cold" or linked to anything saying that. Cite it if you can. I don't delete but I'll quote-tweet it to correct the record. If you can't cite, as I suspect, what are you doing here? Population density early tweet: https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1259222845353103360?s=20 https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1259222845353103360?s... (worth a look at the linked thread). Pop. density, latent immunity due to ancient CoVs (this seems to matter a lot in Asia), other particulars do not excuse the NYC and NY state record. Also you hear people claim Sweden has low density but that's not the case. Your second paragraph shows you didn't read the comment from me to which you replied, in particular this part: "NPIs don't much affect disease progression. Correlation is not causation but anti-correlation is a big problem for those arguing masks help: https://rationalground.com/mask-charts/ https://rationalground.com/mask-charts/ https://rationalground.com/more-mask-charts/ https://rationalground.com/more-mask-charts/" What "The evidence is (and has been)" do you mean? Cite it. Use those famous hyperlinks we worked so hard to make useful back in the day at Netscape. Ignoring what I wrote and asserting your assumptions is not helpful.

invisible 6y ago
Hopefully 0-10 help illuminate what I’m talking about. I think 11 and 12 point to masks being a good idea. The graphs you linked ignore population density and seasonal increases in transmission of viruses. An increase after a mask mandate isn’t proof that the mandate had no impact. 0. https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1360069067017748480?s=21 https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1360069067017748480?s=21 — “Reminder: with flu and RSV down ~98% and replaced by COVID, which is far less dangerous to children, we are in literally the mildest respiratory illness season for children in recorded history.” 1. https://twitter.com/brendaneich/status/1336918916895965185?s=21 https://twitter.com/brendaneich/status/1336918916895965185?s... 2. https://twitter.com/brendaneich/status/1336920895344975873?s=21 https://twitter.com/brendaneich/status/1336920895344975873?s... 3. https://twitter.com/brendaneich/status/1335840898807070720?s=21 https://twitter.com/brendaneich/status/1335840898807070720?s... 4. https://twitter.com/brendaneich/status/1335346330500141056?s=21 https://twitter.com/brendaneich/status/1335346330500141056?s... 5. https://twitter.com/davidbcollum/status/1329789976683409408?s=21 https://twitter.com/davidbcollum/status/1329789976683409408?... 6. https://twitter.com/ianmsc/status/1333851832205012992?s=21 https://twitter.com/ianmsc/status/1333851832205012992?s=21 7. https://twitter.com/hold2llc/status/1328879434456330242?s=21 https://twitter.com/hold2llc/status/1328879434456330242?s=21 8. https://twitter.com/ewoodhouse7/status/1323115034239737856?s=21 https://twitter.com/ewoodhouse7/status/1323115034239737856?s... 9. https://twitter.com/ianmsc/status/1320811573682728960?s=21 https://twitter.com/ianmsc/status/1320811573682728960?s=21 10. I can’t go back far enough, but there were a series of graphs from EthicalSkeptic which seemed less than ethical. 11. https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1279750/retrieve https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1279750/retrieve 12. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-si...
- BrendanEich 6y ago
  You wrote "(Some suggesting it’s the same as a cold.)" and I asked you to cite even one tweet saying "it's the same as a cold". None of the links you gave says any such thing. Were you lying? You seem upset about tweets that I RTed or replied to, which I can and will defend, but you can't attack them on substance. In particular, your [0], from https://twitter.com/kerpen https://twitter.com/kerpen, is correct per CDC Flu and RSV monitoring. Those viruses are way down in 2020, no one knows exactly why, but given antibody studies, it seems SARS2 spread widely and preempted them, possibly in the human nose (not lungs). This needs more study but it is nothing like saying "it's just the cold". Kerpen is right (again, CDC has IFR by age figures) that Flu and RSV are much deadlier than Covid for children. So you don't like my opinions but you can't refute them, yet you can gather a bunch of tweet-links. What's the point? If we are not going to argue substance, all you've done is identify me as on Team Reality. But we knew that. What's up?
  - invisible 6y ago
    There are multiple replies and retweets that compare COVID-19 to flus/colds in a “COVID-19 is the same” context. Or suggesting that drastic measures are unwarranted or unreasonable. The kerpen tweet thread is troubling because it suggests that the CDC is both providing accurate data and that they are only providing guidance for political reasons. So they aren’t lying, but they are? Then he compares COVID-19 to the flu and cold, ignoring that transmission by children can affect adults. Here is another one (in addition to the one above about children): > No lockdown in 2017-2018 cold season! https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1335873383209177088?s=2 https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1335873383209177088?s... That is ignoring that the fatality rate and transmission rate is significantly higher in COVID-19. Maybe all of these things comparing the equivalence of the cold and COVID-19 mean nothing to you, but they seem significant to me. Perhaps you’ll defend these by saying, “in isolation this data is accurate.” That point falls flat when taken in context to our situation — they are marketing a perspective. You asked me for some citations for my comments and then criticized that I provided citations for why I said what I said. Nobody said you’re on “Team Reality” but you. (Oh, and also: I can’t go back further than 10/10 on your tweets but there were a number of retweets from EthicalSkeptic saying that the death count was a lie and suggesting that COVID-19 wasn’t a big deal.) Edit: Here is a comment from someone in the thread discussed. This is the “subtext” I see. https://twitter.com/MarkChangizi/status/1282074580350312450?s=20 https://twitter.com/MarkChangizi/status/1282074580350312450?...