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> Also a surprising number of people in the US believe that poverty is a moral failure of some sort. Yep, there's a marriage in the US between business and rel

by _qulr 6y ago

> Also a surprising number of people in the US believe that poverty is a moral failure of some sort. Yep, there's a marriage in the US between business and religion that seems contradictory until you realize that these people believe the "invisible hand" of the market is God.

TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
> that these people Who? I’ve never met anyone who believes that.
- true_religion 6y ago
  I think he may be referencing how Calvonist faiths believed that God's grace manifested as good fortune, therefore if you were rich you were likely blessed by God. I don't know how much of that theory remains true with American protestants today.
- adamnemecek 6y ago
  Half of the country.
- Mountain_Skies 6y ago
  >Poor people vote against their own best interests because they don't see themselves as poor, they see themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires. You'll see the above quote very frequently in any discussion about class and wealth in the US. It's a glib strawman that makes those writing it feel intellectually superior to and condescending to their targets at the same time. Until those on the various sides of ideological divides actually try to understand each other instead of coming up with smug strawman models that diminish the other side's agency, the conflict will continue. Thing is, there are some who benefit from this endless conflict and it is in their best interest to see it continue. They're usually not the ones posting quotes like above as they sit on the sidelines, only occasionally tossing in an ideological grenade or two should any side start gaining the upper hand.
  - adamnemecek 6y ago
    What is the argument to be understood?
  - TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
    That has nothing to do with the Invisible Hand as far as I can tell.
- tasty_freeze 6y ago
  Search for "Prosperity Gospel" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology
- ajmadesc 6y ago
  Look up prosperity gospel. There are dozens and dozens of mega churches across the US.

by _qulr 6y ago

TedDoesntTalk 6y ago

> that these people Who? I’ve never met anyone who believes that.

true_religion 6y ago
I think he may be referencing how Calvonist faiths believed that God's grace manifested as good fortune, therefore if you were rich you were likely blessed by God. I don't know how much of that theory remains true with American protestants today.
adamnemecek 6y ago
Half of the country.
Mountain_Skies 6y ago
>Poor people vote against their own best interests because they don't see themselves as poor, they see themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires. You'll see the above quote very frequently in any discussion about class and wealth in the US. It's a glib strawman that makes those writing it feel intellectually superior to and condescending to their targets at the same time. Until those on the various sides of ideological divides actually try to understand each other instead of coming up with smug strawman models that diminish the other side's agency, the conflict will continue. Thing is, there are some who benefit from this endless conflict and it is in their best interest to see it continue. They're usually not the ones posting quotes like above as they sit on the sidelines, only occasionally tossing in an ideological grenade or two should any side start gaining the upper hand.
- adamnemecek 6y ago
  What is the argument to be understood?
- TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
  That has nothing to do with the Invisible Hand as far as I can tell.
tasty_freeze 6y ago
Search for "Prosperity Gospel" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology
ajmadesc 6y ago
Look up prosperity gospel. There are dozens and dozens of mega churches across the US.