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I agree with this on principle, but I just can't shake the feeling that this sort of conveniently "incidentally" leftist NPR story is slanted, and therefor untr

I agree with this on principle, but I just can't shake the feeling that this sort of conveniently "incidentally" leftist NPR story is slanted, and therefor untrustworthy. I've been gaslit by too much media for too long to trust anything I read from anything even slightly mainstream. Everything is politically compromised, with few exceptions (WHO, CDC, UN, the list goes on).

monoideism 6y ago
I also agree with this on principle, but like you, I can no longer trust most major media channels. I've seen too much blatant lying and agenda-pushing from them the past few years.
- wilsocr88 6y ago
  It's a pretty huge problem: How do we move forward or know how to act or what to do if we can't get any unfiltered and unbiased factual information whatsoever?
gregd 6y ago
Slanted toward what? Advocating for pulling people out of poverty? Advocating for keeping people in poverty? I'm genuinely interested in understanding why you think this story is slanted and in what direction you think it slanted you and why you think it matters.
- wilsocr88 6y ago
  The purpose of stories like this seems to be to lay a groundwork of "facts" that, when worded a certain way in a headline, give the appearance of an underlying bed of evidence which slants toward leftist issues at best, and flat-out campaigns for them at worst. NPR is why people say, straight-faced, things like "reality has a liberal slant".
ajmadesc 6y ago
I mean, WHO tried to convince people that cov19 wasn't transmissible through the air for a couple months, and they accepted fake infection /death numbers from CCP no?
- wilsocr88 6y ago
  Exactly. To the average person trying to figure out what's real, the Democrats saying "Go to Chinatown" in the early days and the WHO saying it wasn't airborne begin to look very similar. What's to stop people from jumping to the conclusion that both of these groups had the same motive (to rid the White House of a certain individual)?
qntty 6y ago
Imagine thinking that NPR is leftist
- wilsocr88 6y ago
  I think leftists replaced actual arguments with sarcasm sometime around 2010.
- monoideism 6y ago
  This is a terminology issue. It's true that NPR isn't "leftist" in the eyes of many people on the left who endorse socialism. However, NPR is definitely liberal, which leans left on cultural issues, and often centrist or slightly to the right on economic issues. The sterotypical upper-middle class, urban, liberal professional is always an NPR listener. So I understand your disagreement: NPR is not generally going to criticize our system of capitalism. After all, many liberals - particularly the opinion-making elite - are thriving in this system. But they will always approach cultural issues from the left liberal point-of-view. Recently, NPR Opinion has swung even more to the left: just listen to their afternoon talk shows. All Things Considered and Morning Edition have not gone as far, and are more center or center-left. Allsides, the media bias organization, agrees and rates NPR opinion as "Left" and NPR News as "Centrist": https://www.adfontesmedia.com/ https://www.adfontesmedia.com/
dang 6y ago
It looks like you've been using HN primarily (though fortunately not exclusively) for political and ideological battle. That's not allowed, because it destroys the curious conversation that this site is intended for. "Primarily" is the line at which we ban accounts that do this, so can you please stop? There's lots of explanation about this at these links: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=political%20overlap%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=curiosity%20optimiz%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=generic%20ideolog%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

monoideism 6y ago

I also agree with this on principle, but like you, I can no longer trust most major media channels. I've seen too much blatant lying and agenda-pushing from them the past few years.

wilsocr88 6y ago
It's a pretty huge problem: How do we move forward or know how to act or what to do if we can't get any unfiltered and unbiased factual information whatsoever?

gregd 6y ago

Slanted toward what? Advocating for pulling people out of poverty? Advocating for keeping people in poverty? I'm genuinely interested in understanding why you think this story is slanted and in what direction you think it slanted you and why you think it matters.

wilsocr88 6y ago
The purpose of stories like this seems to be to lay a groundwork of "facts" that, when worded a certain way in a headline, give the appearance of an underlying bed of evidence which slants toward leftist issues at best, and flat-out campaigns for them at worst. NPR is why people say, straight-faced, things like "reality has a liberal slant".

ajmadesc 6y ago

I mean, WHO tried to convince people that cov19 wasn't transmissible through the air for a couple months, and they accepted fake infection /death numbers from CCP no?

wilsocr88 6y ago
Exactly. To the average person trying to figure out what's real, the Democrats saying "Go to Chinatown" in the early days and the WHO saying it wasn't airborne begin to look very similar. What's to stop people from jumping to the conclusion that both of these groups had the same motive (to rid the White House of a certain individual)?

qntty 6y ago

Imagine thinking that NPR is leftist

wilsocr88 6y ago
I think leftists replaced actual arguments with sarcasm sometime around 2010.
monoideism 6y ago
This is a terminology issue. It's true that NPR isn't "leftist" in the eyes of many people on the left who endorse socialism. However, NPR is definitely liberal, which leans left on cultural issues, and often centrist or slightly to the right on economic issues. The sterotypical upper-middle class, urban, liberal professional is always an NPR listener. So I understand your disagreement: NPR is not generally going to criticize our system of capitalism. After all, many liberals - particularly the opinion-making elite - are thriving in this system. But they will always approach cultural issues from the left liberal point-of-view. Recently, NPR Opinion has swung even more to the left: just listen to their afternoon talk shows. All Things Considered and Morning Edition have not gone as far, and are more center or center-left. Allsides, the media bias organization, agrees and rates NPR opinion as "Left" and NPR News as "Centrist": https://www.adfontesmedia.com/ https://www.adfontesmedia.com/

dang 6y ago

It looks like you've been using HN primarily (though fortunately not exclusively) for political and ideological battle. That's not allowed, because it destroys the curious conversation that this site is intended for. "Primarily" is the line at which we ban accounts that do this, so can you please stop? There's lots of explanation about this at these links: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=political%20overlap%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=curiosity%20optimiz%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=generic%20ideolog%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...