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So good cops who have never done anything wrong and never looked the other way or covered up for their coworkers would lose their pension? Communal punishment

• Judgmentality 6y ago
  > So good cops who have never done anything wrong and never looked the other way or covered up for their coworkers would lose their pension? 100%, not even a second thought. We need reform, not excuses. Why do cops even get a pension in the first place? It should be a reward, not an entitlement. And it should only be rewarded if the entire department does its job, not an individual officer. They serve the community, and if the community is not served they should not be set for life. To be clear here, the bar is "don't break the law." This isn't some extraordinary standard we're expecting them to adhere to. In fact, we're only trying to hold them to the same standards they hold everybody else to.
  • Thiez 6y ago
    > In fact, we're only trying to hold them to the same standards they hold everybody else to. Then convict them. You can't? Fix that. Why this convoluted scheme that punishes unrelated people? You say you want the same standards to apply to the police but on the other hand you accept that they can never be punished directly and their colleages must be fined instead. That's crazy inconsistent, those are not at all the standards that normal people are held to.
    • triceratops 6y ago
      > Then convict them. You can't? Fix that. How? How do you convict cops when their co-workers cover for them?
      • Thiez 6y ago
        So this whole "we should hold them to the same standards" thing is a sham. You've given up, oh no, it's just too hard. We'll claim to hold them to the same standards because it has a nice ring to it, and then do something else entirely.
        • Judgmentality 6y ago
          I think you have no idea what you're talking about, and are simply regurgitating "your solution isn't perfect therefore it's horrible." Please take some effort to understand what the problem is, because it's painfully obvious to me you do not. If I had to guess, you're not even from the United States. I say that solely based on how completely disconnected from this problem you appear to be.
        • triceratops 6y ago
          I don't really understand what you're saying.
• NamTaf 6y ago
  > So good cops who have never done anything wrong and never looked the other way or covered up for their coworkers would lose their pension? Absolutely, and that's a great change. Currently, 'good' cops are incentivised to cover up for their bad brethren due to institutional pressures (see: 'good' cops getting bullied out of the force). If instead the culture incentivised speaking out against bad actors because suddenly it affected the majority, maybe we'd see the necessary change. My work bonus depends 50% on the company's performance and 50% on my own personal performance, and the company performance is measured partially by our safety figures. When other people in the company injure themselves, my bonus drops because the company safety performance drops. I'm incentivised to improve the safety culture in general and enable others to be safe, rather than just my own personal performance. It's an entirely acceptable approach, because you're supposed to be part of a team. I don't see a difference with the pension example.
• ajmadesc 6y ago
  No such thing as a cop that hasn't looked the other way. Even for the ones that don't like It's just 'too risky'.