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Little known fact: Chris sings an unbelievably awesome rendition of stairway to heaven. Saw it at a certain Utah dive bar. Fun guy. I find it fascinating that

Little known fact: Chris sings an unbelievably awesome rendition of stairway to heaven. Saw it at a certain Utah dive bar. Fun guy. I find it fascinating that few backing climate change mitigation are addressing the 10,000 pound bright pink elephant in the room: Let’s promote making less humans so that human population, the root cause of every single way we’re screwing up this planet, simply shrinks. Advocating for having less kids is taboo, especially in the USA. And as with Chris the approach is to make more stuff to fix the fact that our growing population’s appetite for stuff is killing the planet.

Judgmentality 6y ago
Arguing for population control is arguing for limiting growth - it's what no capitalist wants to hear. The only reason the stock market is climbing is because the Fed is artificially inflating it. Investors want growth no matter what. As far as I'm concerned, most investors are cancer. They don't want to solve problems. They want to get rich, and if "solving" problems helps them achieve that goal then that is how they will sell themselves.
- mmaunder 6y ago
  Exactly. On the one side you’re competing with the human drive and visceral need to procreate, and on the other side you have greed and laziness that want wealth without work via stock market growth, demand for housing increasing, and inflation reducing debt.
Ftuuky 6y ago
“May we live long and die out.” — Motto of the Voluntary Extinction Movement Covid19 might cause male sterility.[0] [0] https://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=9711 https://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=9711
- mmaunder 6y ago
  I’m pretty sure extinction isn’t a risk for us. We lost over 500 species in the last century which would have been 9 at natural rates. During the same time our own population grew from 1.6 billion to 7.8 billion. This subject is so distasteful to most that even the educated are prepared to temporarily put aside rational thinking and engage the monkey mind: Lets have less kids doesn’t mean “You want us extinct bro!”
mc32 6y ago
Population control is problematic because often it’s not voluntary. Also how do we decide which areas are overpopulated and need to slow down and which ones are underpopulated and need to grow? In any case the eugenics movements cast a long shadow on this topic.
- mmaunder 6y ago
  > Population control is problematic because often it’s not voluntary. But we’re comfortable outlawing other practices that harm the planet. And in that conflict lies the nucleus of my point: humans are very uncomfortable talking about the root cause of harm to this planet: humans, our existence, our expansion and our insatiable focus on more consumption as a solution to a problem with too many humans at its root. > In any case the eugenics movements cast a long shadow on this topic. Bullshit. Modifying the species is not a requirement for simply doing nothing vs having children. But it is seductive to conflate the two because it provides a moral platform for those who insist on having large families and exponentially growing the harm they’ve already done. The downvotes my post has received clearly illustrates how utterly taboo this topic is, even among rational technologists.

Judgmentality 6y ago

Arguing for population control is arguing for limiting growth - it's what no capitalist wants to hear. The only reason the stock market is climbing is because the Fed is artificially inflating it. Investors want growth no matter what. As far as I'm concerned, most investors are cancer. They don't want to solve problems. They want to get rich, and if "solving" problems helps them achieve that goal then that is how they will sell themselves.

mmaunder 6y ago
Exactly. On the one side you’re competing with the human drive and visceral need to procreate, and on the other side you have greed and laziness that want wealth without work via stock market growth, demand for housing increasing, and inflation reducing debt.

Ftuuky 6y ago

“May we live long and die out.” — Motto of the Voluntary Extinction Movement Covid19 might cause male sterility.[0] [0] https://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=9711 https://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=9711

mmaunder 6y ago
I’m pretty sure extinction isn’t a risk for us. We lost over 500 species in the last century which would have been 9 at natural rates. During the same time our own population grew from 1.6 billion to 7.8 billion. This subject is so distasteful to most that even the educated are prepared to temporarily put aside rational thinking and engage the monkey mind: Lets have less kids doesn’t mean “You want us extinct bro!”

mc32 6y ago

Population control is problematic because often it’s not voluntary. Also how do we decide which areas are overpopulated and need to slow down and which ones are underpopulated and need to grow? In any case the eugenics movements cast a long shadow on this topic.

mmaunder 6y ago
> Population control is problematic because often it’s not voluntary. But we’re comfortable outlawing other practices that harm the planet. And in that conflict lies the nucleus of my point: humans are very uncomfortable talking about the root cause of harm to this planet: humans, our existence, our expansion and our insatiable focus on more consumption as a solution to a problem with too many humans at its root. > In any case the eugenics movements cast a long shadow on this topic. Bullshit. Modifying the species is not a requirement for simply doing nothing vs having children. But it is seductive to conflate the two because it provides a moral platform for those who insist on having large families and exponentially growing the harm they’ve already done. The downvotes my post has received clearly illustrates how utterly taboo this topic is, even among rational technologists.