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I would like to give some context to everyone who doesn't come from Sweden. >The following article [...] appeared in the Swedish publication Expressen. Expres

I would like to give some context to everyone who doesn't come from Sweden. >The following article [...] appeared in the Swedish publication Expressen. Expressen is a known right-leaning news publisher. They are the Fox News of Sweden, you should keep that in mind. Here is an example of the kind of trash you find in Expressen (taken from the article): >I accuse you, the Sweden Democrats [...] you support a school system that increases segregation and allows jihadist schools run by people with links to Islamism and violent extremism They're talking about muslim schools. What is said doesn't accurately represent reality nor is it non-partisan (obviously). Sweden Democrats are the most right-leaning party in the Swedish Parliament, they don't like muslims (to put it mildly). Yet the author is blaming them for not going hard enough on the muslims community in Sweden. It's a bit of a trend now with right-wing extremists in Sweden to focus on attacking muslim schools, as if having Arabic/Quran lessons apart from the regular school curriculum is equivalent to training a militia. This sort of language is not unlike what you would expect a neo-nazi to say about jews, that they are inherently a harm and seek to subvert society, because reasons...

Grustaf 6y ago
Expressen might be as trustworthy as Fox News, but it's not right leaning in any meaningful sense of the word. As to islamism, you are aware that they recently closed down Vetenskapsskolan because after a number of islamist scandals. For example, it turned out they had been hiring people returning fighting for ISIS.
- sha1337 6y ago
  I think truthfulness is a bigger issue than right vs left, if they were truthful I would personally not care about their political leaning. Expressen is right-leaning though, they may not be far-right (like Avpixlat), but they're certainly leaning right. >For example, it turned out they had been hiring people returning fighting for ISIS. They(in plural?) had been hiring people (again in plural?). You have to be accurate here, especially when it comes articles that are demonizing an entire community. Even if it so happened that one employee had links to ISIS, it does not by default make the school administration responsible for what the employee did. For example, if a pedophile teacher gets caught, it's hardly reasonable to blame the school (unless the school administration knew and ignored it).
notsureaboutpg 6y ago
Thanks for the context. I'm always wary of accusing people for having "links to" X or Y bad ideology. Links are so vague and often seem much more nefarious than they are. For example, if I went to high school with someone, does that "link" me to them? What if, like many people, we were best friends in high school but lost touch later? What if that person works in a business which my brother also works in? What if we sat next to each other at a charity dinner? All of these are "links" but none of them mean that I subscribe to the ideology of the person I'm linked to.
cloudfifty 6y ago
Oh, dear. You're reading this very wrong. The subject is not immigration and/or muslims, but about for-profit schools! That radical Islamists have been able to start their own school is just an example among others of this system's failings for crying out loud.
- sha1337 6y ago
  Muslims teaching the Quran and Arabic is hardly a problem that warrants calling them radical islamists and other charged words like them. The problem I'm trying to address is the partisan attitude of Expressen and their consequent dishonesty when it comes to issues related to muslims. It's just tiring to navigate through all the ideological and religious non-sense that these pieces of propaganda stem from, because they are not honest and they resort to these sorts of tactics. If they think their ideology and convictions are true, let them pave the way for discussion, surely they will annihilate Islam and Socialism ideologically in no time. But that's not what we see, it's the same old trash: terrorism, radical, islamist, and on and on it goes. Just throwing these words around in hopes the public feels threatened that the people Expressen dislikes so much are about to undermine the nation. Basically they would like to see a Crystal Nacht for muslims, they just don't know how to get there.
  - cloudfifty 6y ago
    Not sure what you're on about really. But in this case the previous CEO of this particular school, Kunskapsskolan, was expelled from Sweden after a decision by the Swedish Security Service (SÄPO) after being deemed a threat against national security. What more does it take?
    - sha1337 6y ago
      I didn't know about that. But it still doesn't warrant banning religious schools completely due to isolated incidents, and that was sort of the point I was making earlier. This is what the author was hinting at needs to be done, it's not an uncommon sentiment among the right either. There are a few bad apples among every religious and non-religious group, it's just how it is. Doesn't mean one should attack an entire group, unless one is in a crusade or something. For every ISIS supporter I bet you one can find 10 pro-violence far-rightwingers. That doesn't mean one should lump the entirety of that side of the political spectrum and call them a danger to humanity/minorities. It's not fair to do so with the right, and it's not fair to do so with the muslims.

Grustaf 6y ago

Expressen might be as trustworthy as Fox News, but it's not right leaning in any meaningful sense of the word. As to islamism, you are aware that they recently closed down Vetenskapsskolan because after a number of islamist scandals. For example, it turned out they had been hiring people returning fighting for ISIS.

sha1337 6y ago
I think truthfulness is a bigger issue than right vs left, if they were truthful I would personally not care about their political leaning. Expressen is right-leaning though, they may not be far-right (like Avpixlat), but they're certainly leaning right. >For example, it turned out they had been hiring people returning fighting for ISIS. They(in plural?) had been hiring people (again in plural?). You have to be accurate here, especially when it comes articles that are demonizing an entire community. Even if it so happened that one employee had links to ISIS, it does not by default make the school administration responsible for what the employee did. For example, if a pedophile teacher gets caught, it's hardly reasonable to blame the school (unless the school administration knew and ignored it).

notsureaboutpg 6y ago

Thanks for the context. I'm always wary of accusing people for having "links to" X or Y bad ideology. Links are so vague and often seem much more nefarious than they are. For example, if I went to high school with someone, does that "link" me to them? What if, like many people, we were best friends in high school but lost touch later? What if that person works in a business which my brother also works in? What if we sat next to each other at a charity dinner? All of these are "links" but none of them mean that I subscribe to the ideology of the person I'm linked to.

cloudfifty 6y ago

Oh, dear. You're reading this very wrong. The subject is not immigration and/or muslims, but about for-profit schools! That radical Islamists have been able to start their own school is just an example among others of this system's failings for crying out loud.

sha1337 6y ago
Muslims teaching the Quran and Arabic is hardly a problem that warrants calling them radical islamists and other charged words like them. The problem I'm trying to address is the partisan attitude of Expressen and their consequent dishonesty when it comes to issues related to muslims. It's just tiring to navigate through all the ideological and religious non-sense that these pieces of propaganda stem from, because they are not honest and they resort to these sorts of tactics. If they think their ideology and convictions are true, let them pave the way for discussion, surely they will annihilate Islam and Socialism ideologically in no time. But that's not what we see, it's the same old trash: terrorism, radical, islamist, and on and on it goes. Just throwing these words around in hopes the public feels threatened that the people Expressen dislikes so much are about to undermine the nation. Basically they would like to see a Crystal Nacht for muslims, they just don't know how to get there.
- cloudfifty 6y ago
  Not sure what you're on about really. But in this case the previous CEO of this particular school, Kunskapsskolan, was expelled from Sweden after a decision by the Swedish Security Service (SÄPO) after being deemed a threat against national security. What more does it take?
  - sha1337 6y ago
    I didn't know about that. But it still doesn't warrant banning religious schools completely due to isolated incidents, and that was sort of the point I was making earlier. This is what the author was hinting at needs to be done, it's not an uncommon sentiment among the right either. There are a few bad apples among every religious and non-religious group, it's just how it is. Doesn't mean one should attack an entire group, unless one is in a crusade or something. For every ISIS supporter I bet you one can find 10 pro-violence far-rightwingers. That doesn't mean one should lump the entirety of that side of the political spectrum and call them a danger to humanity/minorities. It's not fair to do so with the right, and it's not fair to do so with the muslims.