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You can’t live in a society without using other people’s stuff (practically, I’m sure we could come up with examples of ownership concepts being challenged). B

You can’t live in a society without using other people’s stuff (practically, I’m sure we could come up with examples of ownership concepts being challenged). But living in a society means not upsetting people so badly that they won’t sell you groceries. There’s tons of ways to do that while retaining your ability to speak what’s on your mind, you just have to be thoughtful about how your words effect others, even if just to make sure you don’t get kicked out of society.

AnHonestComment 6y ago
A former director of the CIA who spied on the US senate while they were investigating the CIA got on the news and said mainstream ideologies like libertarianism should be treated like an insurgency by the government. His radicalizing speech wasn’t silenced — it was beamed across the country by the establishment. Your post is just gas lighting. People are realizing that other people mean them serious harm over political differences, and using means like censorship to achieve it.
ClumsyPilot 6y ago
That argument works if by "upsetting people" we mean actual real people with normal psychology. But it falls apart when 'people' are multinationals and "upsetting them" means their PR department gets a funny idea. In that case we need a contract that provides more protection than 'we can remove you at any time for any reason'
- TameAntelope 6y ago
  The whole, “they’re faceless greed machines” works both ways, though, doesn’t it? You’ve got to do something pretty universally terrible to have a blood sucking corporation actually turn down your money...
  - acover 6y ago
    Not really. When a corp has billions in revenue, your $2000 is nothing compared to any possibility of jeopardizing a fraction of their revenue. Imagine a corp optimizing click through. Any negative news could dampen that and require immediate action. You have to be perfect or too big to remove.
    - TameAntelope 6y ago
      And yet I’m neither of those things and I’ve never been kicked off of a platform, so clearly there’s something off with what you’ve said, otherwise people would be getting deplatformed for saying or doing anything at all that might go against popular sentiment. Parler wasn’t removed from AWS because it was a conservative site, it was removed because it wasn’t willing to handle the legally troubling volume of potentially criminal activity. You can post your thoughts on any conservative idea you want on Twitter, no one is getting banned for that. The only reason anyone has been removed from any popular social media (or AWS) is because they became unwilling to recognize the fact they owe more than nothing to their fellow man, which includes not trying to silence others through intimidation. Ideas have not been and are not still the problem, is the refusal to think carefully about how to express oneself.
      - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
        "never been kicked off of a platform, so clearly there’s something off with what you’ve said" I've never gotten COVID, so clearly there is something wrong with how you breathe! Do some reading, google employees got banned from gmail and never found out why. There is an important point that you are missing - I am not claiming that you can't kick people off your platform. I am asking that you have fair due process, and it's the same rules for me and for some loudmouth politician.

AnHonestComment 6y ago

A former director of the CIA who spied on the US senate while they were investigating the CIA got on the news and said mainstream ideologies like libertarianism should be treated like an insurgency by the government. His radicalizing speech wasn’t silenced — it was beamed across the country by the establishment. Your post is just gas lighting. People are realizing that other people mean them serious harm over political differences, and using means like censorship to achieve it.

ClumsyPilot 6y ago

That argument works if by "upsetting people" we mean actual real people with normal psychology. But it falls apart when 'people' are multinationals and "upsetting them" means their PR department gets a funny idea. In that case we need a contract that provides more protection than 'we can remove you at any time for any reason'

TameAntelope 6y ago
The whole, “they’re faceless greed machines” works both ways, though, doesn’t it? You’ve got to do something pretty universally terrible to have a blood sucking corporation actually turn down your money...
- acover 6y ago
  Not really. When a corp has billions in revenue, your $2000 is nothing compared to any possibility of jeopardizing a fraction of their revenue. Imagine a corp optimizing click through. Any negative news could dampen that and require immediate action. You have to be perfect or too big to remove.
  - TameAntelope 6y ago
    And yet I’m neither of those things and I’ve never been kicked off of a platform, so clearly there’s something off with what you’ve said, otherwise people would be getting deplatformed for saying or doing anything at all that might go against popular sentiment. Parler wasn’t removed from AWS because it was a conservative site, it was removed because it wasn’t willing to handle the legally troubling volume of potentially criminal activity. You can post your thoughts on any conservative idea you want on Twitter, no one is getting banned for that. The only reason anyone has been removed from any popular social media (or AWS) is because they became unwilling to recognize the fact they owe more than nothing to their fellow man, which includes not trying to silence others through intimidation. Ideas have not been and are not still the problem, is the refusal to think carefully about how to express oneself.
    - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
      "never been kicked off of a platform, so clearly there’s something off with what you’ve said" I've never gotten COVID, so clearly there is something wrong with how you breathe! Do some reading, google employees got banned from gmail and never found out why. There is an important point that you are missing - I am not claiming that you can't kick people off your platform. I am asking that you have fair due process, and it's the same rules for me and for some loudmouth politician.