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I propose that when handled by the average citizen they also increase the risk of bacterial pneumonia as you filter your warm moist breath through a bacteria ca

I propose that when handled by the average citizen they also increase the risk of bacterial pneumonia as you filter your warm moist breath through a bacteria catcher/cultivator.

ceejayoz 6y ago
We'd have an absolutely massive uptick in non-COVID pneumonia if that were the case. (It'd also be a known phenomenon for surgeons, dentists, nurses, painters, drywall installers, nail technicians, etc. who've been using masks for decades.)
- luxuryballs 6y ago
  How do you know we don’t? They are instructed by CDC to mark them as covid even if unsure.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    We know because, again, various professions have been using masks extensively for decades without all dropping dead of pneumonia. Your theory also falls down with the spikey nature of hospitalizations/deaths. If it were the masks, you'd see a steadily high count of these, not outbreaks that come and go. The big early spikes in Italy and NYC were before masking at all became a thing, even.
    - sofixa 6y ago
      > The big early spikes in Italy and NYC were before masking at all became a thing, even. And the first wave, which triggered the first wave of lockdowns, was all during the time where there were barely enough masks for medical personnel, let alone the general public.
    - luxuryballs 6y ago
      keyword: professionals
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doliveira 6y ago
Is that the new "theory"? Have you guys dropped the whole "O2 and CO2 levels" thing already?
- luxuryballs 6y ago
  Who is “you guys”? You don’t get to be the gatekeeper on biology and medicine. This is a very reasonable concern. The mouth is one of the dirtiest places on the body, which is why human bites are so dangerous. Bacteria transfers from hands which is why we promote washing hands. The logic follows this hypothesis.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    > The mouth is one of the dirtiest places on the body, which is why human bites are so dangerous. To others, with broken skin. We're inhaling air that passes through our own dirty mouths pretty regularly without getting infected by it already.
mrfusion 6y ago
Wrong narrative, bro.
tasty_freeze 6y ago
If one were to wear the same pair of underwear every day without washing them, you'd probably smell bad and end up with nasty rashes. But unless you are homeless where it is difficult, everybody changes their underwear daily and washes it after every use. If you don't wash your plates, bowls, and utensils, you can get sick due to crud which has grown on the residual cruft. That is why people wash them between uses. If you are using your mask long enough that it is developing bacterial growths, that is your fault and isn't flaw of the mask. Wash your mask after every use, giving it ample dwell time in the soap before rinsing it. Wring it out, hang it to dry, no problems.
yborg 6y ago
Totally disagree with this thesis but disagree with the downvotes as well. I think it's important to understand the mentality of the anti- crowd.

I propose that when handled by the average citizen they also increase the risk of bacterial pneumonia as you filter your warm moist breath through a bacteria catcher/cultivator.

ceejayoz 6y ago

We'd have an absolutely massive uptick in non-COVID pneumonia if that were the case. (It'd also be a known phenomenon for surgeons, dentists, nurses, painters, drywall installers, nail technicians, etc. who've been using masks for decades.)

luxuryballs 6y ago
How do you know we don’t? They are instructed by CDC to mark them as covid even if unsure.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  We know because, again, various professions have been using masks extensively for decades without all dropping dead of pneumonia. Your theory also falls down with the spikey nature of hospitalizations/deaths. If it were the masks, you'd see a steadily high count of these, not outbreaks that come and go. The big early spikes in Italy and NYC were before masking at all became a thing, even.
  - sofixa 6y ago
    > The big early spikes in Italy and NYC were before masking at all became a thing, even. And the first wave, which triggered the first wave of lockdowns, was all during the time where there were barely enough masks for medical personnel, let alone the general public.
  - luxuryballs 6y ago
    keyword: professionals
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doliveira 6y ago

Is that the new "theory"? Have you guys dropped the whole "O2 and CO2 levels" thing already?

luxuryballs 6y ago
Who is “you guys”? You don’t get to be the gatekeeper on biology and medicine. This is a very reasonable concern. The mouth is one of the dirtiest places on the body, which is why human bites are so dangerous. Bacteria transfers from hands which is why we promote washing hands. The logic follows this hypothesis.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  > The mouth is one of the dirtiest places on the body, which is why human bites are so dangerous. To others, with broken skin. We're inhaling air that passes through our own dirty mouths pretty regularly without getting infected by it already.

mrfusion 6y ago

Wrong narrative, bro.

tasty_freeze 6y ago

If one were to wear the same pair of underwear every day without washing them, you'd probably smell bad and end up with nasty rashes. But unless you are homeless where it is difficult, everybody changes their underwear daily and washes it after every use. If you don't wash your plates, bowls, and utensils, you can get sick due to crud which has grown on the residual cruft. That is why people wash them between uses. If you are using your mask long enough that it is developing bacterial growths, that is your fault and isn't flaw of the mask. Wash your mask after every use, giving it ample dwell time in the soap before rinsing it. Wring it out, hang it to dry, no problems.

yborg 6y ago

Totally disagree with this thesis but disagree with the downvotes as well. I think it's important to understand the mentality of the anti- crowd.