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I really don't want to strawman anything. I certainly welcome anyone to explain where the racism is. Part of the issue is that just asking 'where is the racism
by Gunax 6y ago
I really don't want to strawman anything. I certainly welcome anyone to explain where the racism is.
Part of the issue is that just asking 'where is the racism?' tends to gets responses that are--in summary--something like 'well if you don't see it, then you're just blind (if they are being charitable) or racist yourself'.
I know what I wrote is going to be very controversial, but you have to remember this is a condensed feeling that took me years to realise. I saw this same conversation play out 100 times:
--Someone post a link to SSC
--someone else says 'oh that guy is so racist'
--Then some poor fool asks 'wait, how is any of that racist?'
That is: there isn't paragraph or argument that is racist per se, but instead a general gist. It's much more about what is not said than what is.
Obviously we have a major communication problem here that I am not sure we can resolve. To some people, the rationalist community is so racist that they feel they shouldn't even have to explain why. If you cannot see it, you're being blind, racist, or as you mention: tone-deaf.
To others, there isn't anything racist about it, and they are left confused about why discussions about Moloch and cost disease are racist.
It's a bit meta, but I think this is a good example of Conflict versus disease
https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/01/24/conflict-vs-mistake/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/01/24/conflict-vs-mistake/
- JoeAltmaier 6y agoI'm sure all that is true and borne of experience. Sometimes I'm concerned when a topic is adjacent to serious issues of bias, and nobody is talking about it. We can get very comfortable not talking about issues that don't impact us. Using the R-word is often unfair, waters down the meaning of the word and provokes feelings of being wrongly viewed. But being the victim of bias can be worse than all that. If we err on the side of being alert to potential bias especially if we are not the victim, then maybe that's not unhealthy.