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Not everyone is willing to leave family, friends, and country behind.

by hh3k0 6y ago

JoeAltmaier 6y ago
But its a larger fraction than ever before in history, its pretty safe to say. So the problem is perhaps the smallest its been, and declining. That's a positive thing.
- jrochkind1 6y ago
  So many parts of the world have such terrible living conditions that anyone with an option will leave even though it means leaving your family and everything you know behind, while those left behind are those with no options stuck there, and most rich countries do their best to make it harder and harder for anyone else to make it there... and you conclude this is a positive thing? Truly we live in the best of all possible worlds!
  - JoeAltmaier 6y ago
    Its against the site rules to construe the worst possible meaning to a comment. And its lazy to put words in others' mouths. If you have something to say, just say it. Without attacking others, please.
    - jrochkind1 6y ago
      I thought you were saying it was a positive thing that so many people were willing to leave family, friends, and country behind, in leaving poor countries for rich ones. I may have misunderstood? There was a comment saying not everyone was willing to do this, then you said but more people are than ever before in history, which is positive, no? Did I misunderstand? But you're right, sorry, I could have phrased my reply in a way that was more explicit about not putting words into your mouth. I should have just put it in my own words, without projection: You say, if I'm understanding, that it's a great thing that never before in history have so many been willing to leave family, friends, and country behind. When I see that so many people are leaving family, friends, and everything they know behind for other countries, when they are moving from poorer countries to richer ones, what I see is that quality of life is so unequal across the planet, and people are so desperate. While meanwhile most rich countries are doing their best to keep out these desperate people hoping to leave everything they knew behind for a chance at a secure and dignified life. This to me does not seem like a positive thing. People should better be able to find safety, security, and dignity without having to leave behind their family, friends, and country.
      - JoeAltmaier 6y ago
        Do we really leave anybody? We can talk to them on Skype for free at any time. I actually see some of my remote siblings more often than the local ones. The world has changed.
  - josephg 6y ago
    > So many parts of the world have such terrible living conditions that anyone with an option will leave Hm - I roll to doubt. I think there's an idea in the USA (and the west more broadly) that the quality of life in wealthy countries is Good and the quality of life in poor countries is Terrible For Everyone. (At least, everyone but the ultra-wealthy). Thats reductive, and (perhaps unfairly) I'm pattern matching your comment to that perspective. The quality of life for most people in Bangladesh is way better than the quality of life anyone living in a tent city in SF / LA. I doubt many people living in tents in Oakland are scrambling to move to Bangladesh, for kind of obvious reasons. (Its scary, language barrier, culture barriers, no extended support networks, flights are expensive if you're poor, etc etc.) I think it works the same way in reverse.
    - RestlessMind 6y ago
      > The quality of life for most people in Bangladesh is way better than the quality of life anyone living in a tent city in SF / LA. It's true but misses a broader picture. There are only ~0.5M homeless people in the US [1], or 0.1% of the population. What fraction of Bangladesh lives in that state? Being from the Indian subcontinent and having traveled extensively around the globe, I assure you that that is a much higher fraction and that the quality of life in the US is far far superior than what you'd find in a lot of third world countries. [1] https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homelessness-statistics/state-of-homelessness-report-legacy/ https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homeless...
- irrelative 6y ago
  I don't think that's true. See, for example,https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2019/11/22/for-the-first-time-on-record-fewer-than-10-of-americans-moved-in-a-year/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2019/11/22/for-the...

Not everyone is willing to leave family, friends, and country behind.

by hh3k0 6y ago

Not everyone is willing to leave family, friends, and country behind.

But its a larger fraction than ever before in history, its pretty safe to say. So the problem is perhaps the smallest its been, and declining. That's a positive thing.

jrochkind1 6y ago
So many parts of the world have such terrible living conditions that anyone with an option will leave even though it means leaving your family and everything you know behind, while those left behind are those with no options stuck there, and most rich countries do their best to make it harder and harder for anyone else to make it there... and you conclude this is a positive thing? Truly we live in the best of all possible worlds!
- JoeAltmaier 6y ago
  Its against the site rules to construe the worst possible meaning to a comment. And its lazy to put words in others' mouths. If you have something to say, just say it. Without attacking others, please.
  - jrochkind1 6y ago
    I thought you were saying it was a positive thing that so many people were willing to leave family, friends, and country behind, in leaving poor countries for rich ones. I may have misunderstood? There was a comment saying not everyone was willing to do this, then you said but more people are than ever before in history, which is positive, no? Did I misunderstand? But you're right, sorry, I could have phrased my reply in a way that was more explicit about not putting words into your mouth. I should have just put it in my own words, without projection: You say, if I'm understanding, that it's a great thing that never before in history have so many been willing to leave family, friends, and country behind. When I see that so many people are leaving family, friends, and everything they know behind for other countries, when they are moving from poorer countries to richer ones, what I see is that quality of life is so unequal across the planet, and people are so desperate. While meanwhile most rich countries are doing their best to keep out these desperate people hoping to leave everything they knew behind for a chance at a secure and dignified life. This to me does not seem like a positive thing. People should better be able to find safety, security, and dignity without having to leave behind their family, friends, and country.
    - JoeAltmaier 6y ago
      Do we really leave anybody? We can talk to them on Skype for free at any time. I actually see some of my remote siblings more often than the local ones. The world has changed.
- josephg 6y ago
  > So many parts of the world have such terrible living conditions that anyone with an option will leave Hm - I roll to doubt. I think there's an idea in the USA (and the west more broadly) that the quality of life in wealthy countries is Good and the quality of life in poor countries is Terrible For Everyone. (At least, everyone but the ultra-wealthy). Thats reductive, and (perhaps unfairly) I'm pattern matching your comment to that perspective. The quality of life for most people in Bangladesh is way better than the quality of life anyone living in a tent city in SF / LA. I doubt many people living in tents in Oakland are scrambling to move to Bangladesh, for kind of obvious reasons. (Its scary, language barrier, culture barriers, no extended support networks, flights are expensive if you're poor, etc etc.) I think it works the same way in reverse.
  - RestlessMind 6y ago
    > The quality of life for most people in Bangladesh is way better than the quality of life anyone living in a tent city in SF / LA. It's true but misses a broader picture. There are only ~0.5M homeless people in the US [1], or 0.1% of the population. What fraction of Bangladesh lives in that state? Being from the Indian subcontinent and having traveled extensively around the globe, I assure you that that is a much higher fraction and that the quality of life in the US is far far superior than what you'd find in a lot of third world countries. [1] https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homelessness-statistics/state-of-homelessness-report-legacy/ https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homeless...
irrelative 6y ago
I don't think that's true. See, for example,https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2019/11/22/for-the-first-time-on-record-fewer-than-10-of-americans-moved-in-a-year/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2019/11/22/for-the...