> certainly isn't attracting them with his charisma or interviewing skills. As a counterpoint, watch the end of his podcast with Elon Musk, where he made him r

> certainly isn't attracting them with his charisma or interviewing skills. As a counterpoint, watch the end of his podcast with Elon Musk, where he made him read the Carl Sagan quote [1]. This was quite brilliant I thought. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVsZD2wF1vw&t=144 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVsZD2wF1vw&t=144