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> The result of this investigation is that all the "historical knowledge" which is taught in the school history books about these three camps, is based solely o

by maratc 6y ago

> The result of this investigation is that all the "historical knowledge" which is taught in the school history books about these three camps, is based solely on the dubious testimonies of very few self-proclaimed "eyewitnesses", which are contradictive and technically and scientifically impossible. Looks like a Holocaust denial movie to me.

chewz 6y ago
This is sad true that has nothing to do with denials. We know only two confirmed survivors of Belzec - one was shot right after the war in 1946. For that simple reason - lack of victims testimonies - we know very little about the details of what has really happened - even simple facts like location of buildings, timeline etc... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belzec_extermination_camp https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belzec_extermination_camp
- maratc 6y ago
  We still have Hoefle Telegram for the numbers I guess. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Höfle_Telegram https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Höfle_Telegram
  - chewz 6y ago
    True but usually you have multiple documents, testimonies and material facts that you can compare for that simple reason that human memory fails. Some people say it was 100 meters on the left and some others it was 300 meters to the right etc... Also we know about other death camps - Sobibor, Plaszow, Treblinka - that they have evolved with time, procedures changed etc. With little material documents, lack of victims testimonies and lacking archeological research historians know way less that they would like to... Auschwitz is very well documented and there is plenty of testimonies. But Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor less so... > The lack of viable witnesses who could testify about the camp's operation is the primary reason why Bełżec is not well known despite the enormous number of victims.[8] Israeli historian David Silberklang writes that Belzec "was perhaps the place most representative of the totality and finality of the Nazi plans for Jews". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belzec_extermination_camp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belzec_extermination_camp
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- detaro 6y ago
  When it's claimed that it's "scientifically impossible" it has quite a lot to do with denials. Especially in the context of the authors other works.
- vmh1928 6y ago
  There were two reports from the Polish underground that described what was going on at Belzec. The Wikipedia article you cite links to a description of the camp which references those reports. The Wikipedia article you cite also references 7 survivors of the camp, not two. It's also not true that "even simple facts like location of buildings.." are not known. There have been several archeological examinations of Belzec. http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ar/modern/archreview.html http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ar/modern/archreview... https://www.researchgate.net/publication/250397297_Excavating_Nazi_Extermination_Centres https://www.researchgate.net/publication/250397297_Excavatin... The intent of your post would seem to be to be of a denialist nature.
jcz_nz 6y ago
Yes, same exact thought. This is straight up Holocaust denial. The OP is a brand new account, with just this once comment. How much longer do we have to deal with this crap…
- rbanffy 6y ago
  > How much longer do we have to deal with this crap… I fear this human trait is something we'll have to deal with for a long time. An uncomfortably high number of people would be perfectly OK with driving the bus shuttling others to the extermination camp.

by maratc 6y ago

chewz 6y ago

This is sad true that has nothing to do with denials. We know only two confirmed survivors of Belzec - one was shot right after the war in 1946. For that simple reason - lack of victims testimonies - we know very little about the details of what has really happened - even simple facts like location of buildings, timeline etc... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belzec_extermination_camp https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belzec_extermination_camp

maratc 6y ago
We still have Hoefle Telegram for the numbers I guess. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Höfle_Telegram https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Höfle_Telegram
- chewz 6y ago
  True but usually you have multiple documents, testimonies and material facts that you can compare for that simple reason that human memory fails. Some people say it was 100 meters on the left and some others it was 300 meters to the right etc... Also we know about other death camps - Sobibor, Plaszow, Treblinka - that they have evolved with time, procedures changed etc. With little material documents, lack of victims testimonies and lacking archeological research historians know way less that they would like to... Auschwitz is very well documented and there is plenty of testimonies. But Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor less so... > The lack of viable witnesses who could testify about the camp's operation is the primary reason why Bełżec is not well known despite the enormous number of victims.[8] Israeli historian David Silberklang writes that Belzec "was perhaps the place most representative of the totality and finality of the Nazi plans for Jews". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belzec_extermination_camp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belzec_extermination_camp
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detaro 6y ago
When it's claimed that it's "scientifically impossible" it has quite a lot to do with denials. Especially in the context of the authors other works.
vmh1928 6y ago
There were two reports from the Polish underground that described what was going on at Belzec. The Wikipedia article you cite links to a description of the camp which references those reports. The Wikipedia article you cite also references 7 survivors of the camp, not two. It's also not true that "even simple facts like location of buildings.." are not known. There have been several archeological examinations of Belzec. http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ar/modern/archreview.html http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ar/modern/archreview... https://www.researchgate.net/publication/250397297_Excavating_Nazi_Extermination_Centres https://www.researchgate.net/publication/250397297_Excavatin... The intent of your post would seem to be to be of a denialist nature.

jcz_nz 6y ago

Yes, same exact thought. This is straight up Holocaust denial. The OP is a brand new account, with just this once comment. How much longer do we have to deal with this crap…

rbanffy 6y ago
> How much longer do we have to deal with this crap… I fear this human trait is something we'll have to deal with for a long time. An uncomfortably high number of people would be perfectly OK with driving the bus shuttling others to the extermination camp.