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This is a false equivalence. Socialists are not inherently the opposite of fascists, or equivalent in the degree of how extreme it is to hold some version of th

This is a false equivalence. Socialists are not inherently the opposite of fascists, or equivalent in the degree of how extreme it is to hold some version of those views. I think your argument is that the Overton window skews left with a blind spot for the extreme left?

dogma1138 6y ago
I think the argument would be correct if you use the Overton window as intended - freedom vs authoritarianism. It was never intended to be a left/right divide on purely social and economic policies. I think the “left” has an issue with authoritarianism on its edges, and by left I don’t mean the US left but mainly Europe. The concept of “solidarity” is also something that the left needs to take a look at because it means that you end up being friends and supporting individuals and groups that are despicable, and that is before you get into the problem of the “end justifies the means”. The issue I have with government enforced socialism is that it doesn’t have the right tools to deal with “that’s nice but I want to try my way” without violence. A socialist microcosm can exist in any open society even in a purely free market uber capitalist one, a free market cannot exist in a socialist society as it’s a clear threat. People also need to stop confusing social services with socialism, public healthcare isn’t a socialist policy it should be the perk of living in a developed society. Socialism at its core is about ownership and individualism not about what services you can get for “free”. This is why it’s so fucking hard to talk about actual issues, I believe that any developed nation should offer universal healthcare and education but I do not want to live in a society that tells me what my role in it should be, what I can own and what I should do with my money.

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This is a false equivalence. Socialists are not inherently the opposite of fascists, or equivalent in the degree of how extreme it is to hold some version of th

by etrautmann 6y ago

dogma1138 6y ago
I think the argument would be correct if you use the Overton window as intended - freedom vs authoritarianism. It was never intended to be a left/right divide on purely social and economic policies. I think the “left” has an issue with authoritarianism on its edges, and by left I don’t mean the US left but mainly Europe. The concept of “solidarity” is also something that the left needs to take a look at because it means that you end up being friends and supporting individuals and groups that are despicable, and that is before you get into the problem of the “end justifies the means”. The issue I have with government enforced socialism is that it doesn’t have the right tools to deal with “that’s nice but I want to try my way” without violence. A socialist microcosm can exist in any open society even in a purely free market uber capitalist one, a free market cannot exist in a socialist society as it’s a clear threat. People also need to stop confusing social services with socialism, public healthcare isn’t a socialist policy it should be the perk of living in a developed society. Socialism at its core is about ownership and individualism not about what services you can get for “free”. This is why it’s so fucking hard to talk about actual issues, I believe that any developed nation should offer universal healthcare and education but I do not want to live in a society that tells me what my role in it should be, what I can own and what I should do with my money.