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I feel like the NYT used to be more credible and run fewer hit pieces. I'm not trying to argue zero, by any means, but I feel like in a very short time -- basic

I feel like the NYT used to be more credible and run fewer hit pieces. I'm not trying to argue zero, by any means, but I feel like in a very short time -- basically the past 4-8 years -- they've gone from one of the most credible source of media to where I trust them as much as I do Fox News (and I read both, as well as a number of international news sources, to have a complete picture). This sort of stuff seems to be their modus operandi now.

yardie 6y ago
The NYT lost credibility for me when they endorsed the Iraq War in 2003. I have been very vocal about their credibility ever since, even though I agree with some of their journalism. Your heroes will disappoint you. Even the NYT have traded their credibility for clicks, I mean “engagement.”
- woofie11 6y ago
  For me, credibility isn't binary, but a spectrum. I saw problems before (NYT was never one of my heroes, per se, but just a high-quality, thoughtful, high-integrity newspaper). It always had its flaws, but for the most part, it seemed okay pre-Trump. Especially during the Trump years, but a little before as well, it seemed like the ends (on both sides of the increasingly polarized political spectrum) became more important than the means, and a lot of formerly credible institutions moved into a post-truth era. Sadly, the NYT was one of the victims. So was a big segment of academia. The American civic discourse feels disingenuous and hollow in a way it's never felt before in my life.
  - curlypaul924 6y ago
    I get the same feeling. Is there any way we can isolate the underlying cause? Maybe then it would be possible to change things for the better.
    - inglor_cz 6y ago
      Bari Weiss complained about internal war at the NYT: older staff vs. young woke employees. If universities have gone fully woke, no wonder they churn out a lot of woke graduates. In that case, natural generational exchange will change things for worse across the board, at least until a new generation comes that scoffs at wokeism because it is what their stupid, old parents do.
curlypaul924 6y ago
I avoid both NYT and Fox, because it's too much effort to fact check every detail of every article I read. Both have too high an error-to-fact ratio IMO. That sort of thing has a way of affecting one's thought.

yardie 6y ago

The NYT lost credibility for me when they endorsed the Iraq War in 2003. I have been very vocal about their credibility ever since, even though I agree with some of their journalism. Your heroes will disappoint you. Even the NYT have traded their credibility for clicks, I mean “engagement.”

woofie11 6y ago
For me, credibility isn't binary, but a spectrum. I saw problems before (NYT was never one of my heroes, per se, but just a high-quality, thoughtful, high-integrity newspaper). It always had its flaws, but for the most part, it seemed okay pre-Trump. Especially during the Trump years, but a little before as well, it seemed like the ends (on both sides of the increasingly polarized political spectrum) became more important than the means, and a lot of formerly credible institutions moved into a post-truth era. Sadly, the NYT was one of the victims. So was a big segment of academia. The American civic discourse feels disingenuous and hollow in a way it's never felt before in my life.
- curlypaul924 6y ago
  I get the same feeling. Is there any way we can isolate the underlying cause? Maybe then it would be possible to change things for the better.
  - inglor_cz 6y ago
    Bari Weiss complained about internal war at the NYT: older staff vs. young woke employees. If universities have gone fully woke, no wonder they churn out a lot of woke graduates. In that case, natural generational exchange will change things for worse across the board, at least until a new generation comes that scoffs at wokeism because it is what their stupid, old parents do.

curlypaul924 6y ago

I avoid both NYT and Fox, because it's too much effort to fact check every detail of every article I read. Both have too high an error-to-fact ratio IMO. That sort of thing has a way of affecting one's thought.