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The NYT abusing these kinds of allegations in a hit piece doesn't say anything about whether such claims can are "contentious and weaponized". Hit pieces latch

The NYT abusing these kinds of allegations in a hit piece doesn't say anything about whether such claims can are "contentious and weaponized". Hit pieces latch on current topics. In the 1950s, the NYT would have had invented ties to communists. Or, if possible, hit pieces often imply corruption or paedophilia. That doesn't necessarily mean that corruption or paedophilia are topics that are "contentious" or related to "pure thinking".

woofie11 6y ago
I feel like the NYT used to be more credible and run fewer hit pieces. I'm not trying to argue zero, by any means, but I feel like in a very short time -- basically the past 4-8 years -- they've gone from one of the most credible source of media to where I trust them as much as I do Fox News (and I read both, as well as a number of international news sources, to have a complete picture). This sort of stuff seems to be their modus operandi now.
- yardie 6y ago
  The NYT lost credibility for me when they endorsed the Iraq War in 2003. I have been very vocal about their credibility ever since, even though I agree with some of their journalism. Your heroes will disappoint you. Even the NYT have traded their credibility for clicks, I mean “engagement.”
  - woofie11 6y ago
    For me, credibility isn't binary, but a spectrum. I saw problems before (NYT was never one of my heroes, per se, but just a high-quality, thoughtful, high-integrity newspaper). It always had its flaws, but for the most part, it seemed okay pre-Trump. Especially during the Trump years, but a little before as well, it seemed like the ends (on both sides of the increasingly polarized political spectrum) became more important than the means, and a lot of formerly credible institutions moved into a post-truth era. Sadly, the NYT was one of the victims. So was a big segment of academia. The American civic discourse feels disingenuous and hollow in a way it's never felt before in my life.
    - curlypaul924 6y ago
      I get the same feeling. Is there any way we can isolate the underlying cause? Maybe then it would be possible to change things for the better.
      - inglor_cz 6y ago
        Bari Weiss complained about internal war at the NYT: older staff vs. young woke employees. If universities have gone fully woke, no wonder they churn out a lot of woke graduates. In that case, natural generational exchange will change things for worse across the board, at least until a new generation comes that scoffs at wokeism because it is what their stupid, old parents do.
- curlypaul924 6y ago
  I avoid both NYT and Fox, because it's too much effort to fact check every detail of every article I read. Both have too high an error-to-fact ratio IMO. That sort of thing has a way of affecting one's thought.

woofie11 6y ago

I feel like the NYT used to be more credible and run fewer hit pieces. I'm not trying to argue zero, by any means, but I feel like in a very short time -- basically the past 4-8 years -- they've gone from one of the most credible source of media to where I trust them as much as I do Fox News (and I read both, as well as a number of international news sources, to have a complete picture). This sort of stuff seems to be their modus operandi now.

yardie 6y ago
The NYT lost credibility for me when they endorsed the Iraq War in 2003. I have been very vocal about their credibility ever since, even though I agree with some of their journalism. Your heroes will disappoint you. Even the NYT have traded their credibility for clicks, I mean “engagement.”
- woofie11 6y ago
  For me, credibility isn't binary, but a spectrum. I saw problems before (NYT was never one of my heroes, per se, but just a high-quality, thoughtful, high-integrity newspaper). It always had its flaws, but for the most part, it seemed okay pre-Trump. Especially during the Trump years, but a little before as well, it seemed like the ends (on both sides of the increasingly polarized political spectrum) became more important than the means, and a lot of formerly credible institutions moved into a post-truth era. Sadly, the NYT was one of the victims. So was a big segment of academia. The American civic discourse feels disingenuous and hollow in a way it's never felt before in my life.
  - curlypaul924 6y ago
    I get the same feeling. Is there any way we can isolate the underlying cause? Maybe then it would be possible to change things for the better.
    - inglor_cz 6y ago
      Bari Weiss complained about internal war at the NYT: older staff vs. young woke employees. If universities have gone fully woke, no wonder they churn out a lot of woke graduates. In that case, natural generational exchange will change things for worse across the board, at least until a new generation comes that scoffs at wokeism because it is what their stupid, old parents do.
curlypaul924 6y ago
I avoid both NYT and Fox, because it's too much effort to fact check every detail of every article I read. Both have too high an error-to-fact ratio IMO. That sort of thing has a way of affecting one's thought.