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> the best app if you want to use a custom SMTP/IMAP server instead of using a solution like hotmail/google/etc IMHO, it's also the best if you're using Gmail:

> the best app if you want to use a custom SMTP/IMAP server instead of using a solution like hotmail/google/etc IMHO, it's also the best if you're using Gmail: Google has been breaking its UIs for years (both on the app and on the web), especially for people like me who try to use proper quoting and signatures, or to send plain text emails. Apart from some glitches with reflow, K-9 does that very well even with Google as email provider. I can't compare against Microsoft products since I've never used them on mobile, but seeing how horrible Outlook is on the desktop for plain text emails (and that's not an hyperbole), I bet K-9 is better as well.

znpy 6y ago
jesus christ gmail is absolutely unusable both on the desktop and on mobile. the only way to make it usable again is to switch to the plain html mode, that uses no javascript, loads very fast, and reminds me a lot of the first gmail ui, back from ~15 years go.
- ComputerGuru 6y ago
  Imagine if they just used an SSE or mixed-replace to update the plain html version in real-time when messages are received without JS. But we can’t have that (Google even unilaterally disabled mixed-replace in blink/Chrome/Chromium (except for continuing to support MJPEG) many, many years ago so no one else can do that either).
  - edoceo 6y ago
    What's a mixed-replace update?
  - znpy 6y ago
    Imagine if they had just fu--ing kept gmail lean and slick as it was in the first days.
- nsriv 6y ago
  I've really enjoyed using the Simplify Gmail extension when I use Gmail on desktop. Just launched a new v2 that's very nice. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/simplify-gmail/pbmlfaiicoikhdbjagjbglnbfcbcojpj?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/simplify-gmail/pbm...
  - znpy 6y ago
    I'm having none of that crap. Injecting non-google code inside my gmail window sounds like a very dumb idea to me, honestly. I already trust google very little and keep my gmail inbox because I'm basically being coerced/forced to (no gmail = no apps on android)... The last thing I want is adding another entity to the picture.
0x426577617265 6y ago
One thing that confuses me about iOS devices is when a gmail account is added to the mail program. It isn’t clear if it is adding SMTP/IMAP or if it is doing some web app type configuration and if that gives Google more access to track device activity.
- g_p 6y ago
  This sounds like the modern OAuth-based sign-in flow (for IMAP and SMTP connections, authenticated by OAuth). This helps avoid app-specific passwords when you use 2FA, and lets users use their regular sign-in flow (which could include enterprise SSO, TOTP, U2F key etc). I imagine that there's the ability for Google to set some cookies as part of that process, although knowing Apple, would not be surprised to learn they had sandboxed that instance of the browser, to prevent cookies persisting into regular Safari.

znpy 6y ago

jesus christ gmail is absolutely unusable both on the desktop and on mobile. the only way to make it usable again is to switch to the plain html mode, that uses no javascript, loads very fast, and reminds me a lot of the first gmail ui, back from ~15 years go.

ComputerGuru 6y ago
Imagine if they just used an SSE or mixed-replace to update the plain html version in real-time when messages are received without JS. But we can’t have that (Google even unilaterally disabled mixed-replace in blink/Chrome/Chromium (except for continuing to support MJPEG) many, many years ago so no one else can do that either).
- edoceo 6y ago
  What's a mixed-replace update?
- znpy 6y ago
  Imagine if they had just fu--ing kept gmail lean and slick as it was in the first days.
nsriv 6y ago
I've really enjoyed using the Simplify Gmail extension when I use Gmail on desktop. Just launched a new v2 that's very nice. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/simplify-gmail/pbmlfaiicoikhdbjagjbglnbfcbcojpj?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/simplify-gmail/pbm...
- znpy 6y ago
  I'm having none of that crap. Injecting non-google code inside my gmail window sounds like a very dumb idea to me, honestly. I already trust google very little and keep my gmail inbox because I'm basically being coerced/forced to (no gmail = no apps on android)... The last thing I want is adding another entity to the picture.

0x426577617265 6y ago

One thing that confuses me about iOS devices is when a gmail account is added to the mail program. It isn’t clear if it is adding SMTP/IMAP or if it is doing some web app type configuration and if that gives Google more access to track device activity.

g_p 6y ago
This sounds like the modern OAuth-based sign-in flow (for IMAP and SMTP connections, authenticated by OAuth). This helps avoid app-specific passwords when you use 2FA, and lets users use their regular sign-in flow (which could include enterprise SSO, TOTP, U2F key etc). I imagine that there's the ability for Google to set some cookies as part of that process, although knowing Apple, would not be surprised to learn they had sandboxed that instance of the browser, to prevent cookies persisting into regular Safari.