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Seriously? A pro-armenian, propagandistic article in top of HN?

gambiting 6y ago
I mean, for those of us who aren't versed on the Armenian politics, would you care explaining what exactly makes it a propaganda article? To my untrained and unfamiliar with the region eye it just looks like reporting on the situation there, but I'd love to know more.
- m_a_g 6y ago
  Everything is written from Armenian perspective. That doesn't raise red flags for you?
  - gambiting 6y ago
    Frankly, no. It's a report written from Armenia so of course it's written from that perspective. That alone doesn't make it propaganda. If I as Polish citizen write a report on Polish politics from my perspective that doesn't make it a propaganda piece now, does it? If there's a similar report from Azerbaijan I'll be happy to read it as well.
- throwaway345349 6y ago
  There is nothing propagandistic about this site. The OP, Zaurun Fikirləri, is either a Turk or Azerbaijani who is clearly triggered by the content of the article.
- basicwolf 6y ago
  For all who asked to elaborate on my comment. Disclaimer: I am Azeri and yes, I was triggered by the article. My judgement is indeed biased, but hopefully not that much. I've been living in Finland for 12 years now, and in the past studied with armenian students at the same class room. We had good relationships and deep conversations about how our region is cursed and the only way to survive - is to live together in peace. Back to the article - an excellent piece of post-truth era text. It is filled with statements, juggled, shuffled and left incomplete, so that the reader has to fill the missing pieces. The missing information is brilliant in its absence. The resulting picture a reader sees is "Poor christian democratic ancient Armenia is surrounded by rich aggressive muslim dictatorship countries, and it is doomed. I want to explain myself being triggered, literally from the top of this "article". "The war was fought over the disputed mountainous region of Nagorno-Karabakh and several surrounding territories." OH REALLY? Somewhere at the bottom the article elaborates, that the "several surrounding territories" are 7 regions claimed by Armenia as "security belt". It never says though, that six hundred thousand (that is 600, 000!) souls from those regions have been displaced and were never able to return to their homes in all these 30 years. These have never been "disputed territories". "...Karabakh is an internationally recognized territory of Azerbaijan, and Armenia is seen to have occupied the territory for over 30 years." - Except that Armenia has also *never* recognized the so-called "Republic of Artsakh" officially. "...A smaller number of videos depicting Armenian war crimes also circle around Azerbaijan, but they pale in comparison in both quantity and ruthlessness to the Azerbaijani videos." - How about mentioning Armenian night-time ballistic missile attacks on the city of Ganja, which is located 50 km (30 mi) from the war zone? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Ganja_missile_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Ganja_missile_attacks "Private Telegram channel video" huh? ...who increasingly see each other’s annihilation as indispensable to their own survival. ...while Azerbaijan’s appetite for Armenian land seems boundless. Somehow azeris and armenians are able to live in piece all around the world. In Russia, in Georgia, in Europe, in US. As long as they remember being human, not ape-alike, as long as their brain takes control of their instincts. Azerbaijan does not give a damn for Armenian land officially or unofficially. In this war, not a single Azeri stepped on Armenian land. Azerbaijan and its people want to be able to freely walk on their own lands. This conflict could have been resolved a decade ago or even earlier. My only wish and hope that our people would stop fighting each other and start learning to live together.
cblconfederate 6y ago
Care to suggest a better alternative? The truth is , there are going to be many more pro-armenia articles in the international press, simply because armenia is a much free-er country than azerbaijan, and many more reporters are there. AZ is ran by a family oil dictatorship that ranks at the bottom of freedom of press, is known to bribe international committees and has a long history of preaching hatred to its own population. In addition, i don't think it's easy to sympathize with the ethnic cleansing of the region attempted by AZ. https://rsf.org/en/azerbaijan https://rsf.org/en/azerbaijan https://www.occrp.org/en/daily/13628-italian-court-sentences-former-council-of-europe-mp-for-bribery https://www.occrp.org/en/daily/13628-italian-court-sentences... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramil_Safarov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramil_Safarov https://www.calvertjournal.com/articles/show/12442/azerbaijan-stamps-nagorno-karabakh-war-anti-armenian-propaganda https://www.calvertjournal.com/articles/show/12442/azerbaija...

I mean, for those of us who aren't versed on the Armenian politics, would you care explaining what exactly makes it a propaganda article? To my untrained and unfamiliar with the region eye it just looks like reporting on the situation there, but I'd love to know more.

m_a_g 6y ago
Everything is written from Armenian perspective. That doesn't raise red flags for you?
- gambiting 6y ago
  Frankly, no. It's a report written from Armenia so of course it's written from that perspective. That alone doesn't make it propaganda. If I as Polish citizen write a report on Polish politics from my perspective that doesn't make it a propaganda piece now, does it? If there's a similar report from Azerbaijan I'll be happy to read it as well.
throwaway345349 6y ago
There is nothing propagandistic about this site. The OP, Zaurun Fikirləri, is either a Turk or Azerbaijani who is clearly triggered by the content of the article.
basicwolf 6y ago
For all who asked to elaborate on my comment. Disclaimer: I am Azeri and yes, I was triggered by the article. My judgement is indeed biased, but hopefully not that much. I've been living in Finland for 12 years now, and in the past studied with armenian students at the same class room. We had good relationships and deep conversations about how our region is cursed and the only way to survive - is to live together in peace. Back to the article - an excellent piece of post-truth era text. It is filled with statements, juggled, shuffled and left incomplete, so that the reader has to fill the missing pieces. The missing information is brilliant in its absence. The resulting picture a reader sees is "Poor christian democratic ancient Armenia is surrounded by rich aggressive muslim dictatorship countries, and it is doomed. I want to explain myself being triggered, literally from the top of this "article". "The war was fought over the disputed mountainous region of Nagorno-Karabakh and several surrounding territories." OH REALLY? Somewhere at the bottom the article elaborates, that the "several surrounding territories" are 7 regions claimed by Armenia as "security belt". It never says though, that six hundred thousand (that is 600, 000!) souls from those regions have been displaced and were never able to return to their homes in all these 30 years. These have never been "disputed territories". "...Karabakh is an internationally recognized territory of Azerbaijan, and Armenia is seen to have occupied the territory for over 30 years." - Except that Armenia has also *never* recognized the so-called "Republic of Artsakh" officially. "...A smaller number of videos depicting Armenian war crimes also circle around Azerbaijan, but they pale in comparison in both quantity and ruthlessness to the Azerbaijani videos." - How about mentioning Armenian night-time ballistic missile attacks on the city of Ganja, which is located 50 km (30 mi) from the war zone? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Ganja_missile_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Ganja_missile_attacks "Private Telegram channel video" huh? ...who increasingly see each other’s annihilation as indispensable to their own survival. ...while Azerbaijan’s appetite for Armenian land seems boundless. Somehow azeris and armenians are able to live in piece all around the world. In Russia, in Georgia, in Europe, in US. As long as they remember being human, not ape-alike, as long as their brain takes control of their instincts. Azerbaijan does not give a damn for Armenian land officially or unofficially. In this war, not a single Azeri stepped on Armenian land. Azerbaijan and its people want to be able to freely walk on their own lands. This conflict could have been resolved a decade ago or even earlier. My only wish and hope that our people would stop fighting each other and start learning to live together.

cblconfederate 6y ago

Care to suggest a better alternative? The truth is , there are going to be many more pro-armenia articles in the international press, simply because armenia is a much free-er country than azerbaijan, and many more reporters are there. AZ is ran by a family oil dictatorship that ranks at the bottom of freedom of press, is known to bribe international committees and has a long history of preaching hatred to its own population. In addition, i don't think it's easy to sympathize with the ethnic cleansing of the region attempted by AZ. https://rsf.org/en/azerbaijan https://rsf.org/en/azerbaijan https://www.occrp.org/en/daily/13628-italian-court-sentences-former-council-of-europe-mp-for-bribery https://www.occrp.org/en/daily/13628-italian-court-sentences... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramil_Safarov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramil_Safarov https://www.calvertjournal.com/articles/show/12442/azerbaijan-stamps-nagorno-karabakh-war-anti-armenian-propaganda https://www.calvertjournal.com/articles/show/12442/azerbaija...