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At this point the NYT is a tabloid.
by robin21 6y ago
At this point the NYT is a tabloid.
- jacob2484 6y agoAgreed. Used to respect the NY times, but now it's just borderline far left propaganda
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- tasty_freeze 6y agoYou have never seen far left if you think the NYT is far left.
- offby37years 6y agoNo true Bolshevik.
- shanhaiguan 6y agoWords have meanings.
- the_only_law 6y agoNot any more apparently. Fascist, socialist, communist, alt-right, neoliberal, etc. just mean whatever they need to quickly slur someone with them. Hell ever Marxism seems like it doesn’t actually refer to anything Marx or his contemporaries ever said anymore. Did you know Bloomberg is a Maoist? Fascinating how the site obsessed with their pseudo-intellectual superiority can’t add anything other than downvotes.
- 4eor0 6y agoBut meanings vary depending on region, education, political background. Science, direct experience, is about as concrete as it gets.
- Ericson2314 6y agoNo. The NYT has a liberal bias. Not a left bias.
- mixedCase 6y agoWell what's "liberal" here? As someone not from the US, liberal means to me what people in the US call "libertarian" or "classical liberal"; and I thought "liberal" is what you call people from the democratic party, who are left-leaning statists AFAICT. Are you just saying they aren't communists? Because communism is what's normally called far-left in most of the world.
- austhrow743 6y agoThe US is a very right wing country. If you're not from there then there's a good chance that the Democratic Party is more right wing than your countries major right wing party.
- Ericson2314 6y agoExactly. Other countries' liberal will match the NYT.
- dqv 6y agoReally we need a venn diagram with like 10 different circles to describe the distinction between what is meant by liberal and what is meant by left here. Liberal, in this case, when contrasted against the left usually describes the politics of the neoliberal and neoconservative (and often a mixture of the two) wing of the Democrat Party. In other words, liberals are considered a sort of right wing - pro-market/pro-capitalism - of the Democrat party. On the other hand, you have the “real left” which represents anti-capitalist and pro-labor ideals (this is a smaller faction and it’s more of a gradient that leans toward democratic socialism than full abolishment of capitalism). There are certain cases where (parts of) the neoliberal and left wing align - for example the various identity issues. That’s the “progressive” part of the party. But yes this is all very confusing because we have only recently developed language in US politics to describe these differences and they have not really hit mainstream political discussion. That and we have one mega party that represents many different views.
- Udik 6y agoIt's the contemporary, mostly inoffensive brand of leftism: the one that obsesses over vague and all-explaining systemic issues like gender, race and climate change, while never questioning the government-fed narrative on geopolitical issues, conflicts and alliances. In other words a lot of critical posturing on the surface and a complete alignment on the deep themes that really matter.
- dqv 6y agoIf NYT is far left propaganda to you, then what is Jacobin, Nonsite, and/or wsws.org?
- readflaggedcomm 6y agoTo me, those tend to be honest about their bias, and better at reporting facts.
- nemothekid 6y agoI wish NYT was far left. How does the NYT mispresenting WHO scientists to push the story that China was hiding COVID constitute "far left" to you? That is a dead on Trumpian conspiracy.
- liveoneggs 6y ago#cancelcovid - it will totally work
- robin21 6y agoHave you read about China? Hint: they are not like us.
- ra7 6y agoAmerican readers are now realizing what NYT's international readers knew years ago. That they make up their minds first and then write articles to fit that narrative. Their international reporting has been biased crap for years and now the domestic reporting has caught up.