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“ I am not "anti-vax" -- but this shit is unprecedented.” I’d suggest you hit up Wikipedia and learn about medical history. The smallpox (eradicated worldwide)

“ I am not "anti-vax" -- but this shit is unprecedented.” I’d suggest you hit up Wikipedia and learn about medical history. The smallpox (eradicated worldwide) and polio (eradicated in all but a couple countries) vaccine pages might help you learn that a worldwide vaccination campaign to stop a dangerous disease isn’t unprecedented. “ I said NO - she can have ONE shot per week. After every vax, she was lathargic for the next few days.” So you made her lethargic for 6 times a few days instead of a few days for just one time. Congrats on that? The people who follow the recommended vaccine schedule don’t have any problems, according to scientific studies. Your concerns appear to be based on FUD you read on the internet or imagined yourself.

reedjosh 6y ago
> The people who follow the recommended vaccine schedule don’t have any problems, according to scientific studies. Can you please provide some of the studies? Primarily I want to actually do some research and I want to know what the evidence is that it is safe. I no longer trust authority's scientific claims as this article and several other revelations seem to indicate I shouldn't.
- michaelcampbell 6y ago
  Why would you ask for studies only to assert you don't trust them?
  - reedjosh 6y ago
    I want to review the studies because I don't trust the claims of media or other authorities, not because I don't trust studies. That said, I do intend to be critical of the studies as well--anyone should be. I want to review replication, funding, methodology, etc... I'd like to know what the actual evidence is for long term safety of the current recommended vaccine schedule.
    - michaelcampbell 6y ago
      At this point in medical history, with the number of people that didn't know they were participating in an ad-hoc longitudinal study over decades of how well or dangerous the accepted standard inoculation schedule is, I get the feeling you're couching close to conspiratorial thinking as "healthy skepticism".
      - reedjosh 6y ago
        The vaccines themselves and vaccine scheduling change over time. How would we know if something harmful was introduced? Unless of course as you state we are unwittingly participating in ad-hoc longitudinal studies. There are any number of `modern` diseases with seemingly unknown causes. It's not a stretch to be skeptical of the safety of modern medicine in general.
samstave 6y ago
would you deploy six patches at once to all your production servers with no idea what the outcome will be and you have no idea what's in those patches other than their name when you already had a two week outage caused by a previous attempt at doing such?
- nomdep 6y ago
  If those patches has been deployed before for decades on millions of servers? Yes, of course. I have no idea what the outage is supposed to be on your example, a bad reaction?
  - samstave 6y ago
    The point is that vaccines are more blindly accepted than they should be. We tech people are way more cautious with patches on full production systems. The outage analogy is that assume you were patching your systems (all of them) against, say Duqu, and you blindly deploy the Duqu patch to your "millions" of servers, and instead - you INSTALLED Duqu to said servers. That is bad. The "outage" (clearly you didnt read my post) - We went to Chicago to go to the zoo for a week. Prior my Daughter got the chicken pox vaccine. The first night in Chicago, she actually got the pox from the vaccine. and it ruined the vacation and we had to stay an extra week, basically in the hotel until she was clear to fly. That was an extended 'outage' to our vacation... Clear?
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samstave 6y ago
>"I’d suggest you hit up Wikipedia and learn about medical history" My brother is the director of the VA for the state of Alaska, was commander of the 10th medical wing USAF, personal flight surgeon to the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the pentagon, among many other accolades. (Colonel Timothy Dean Ballard) My grandmother was a surgical nurse in san jose and los gatos for 50 years and did medical malpractice consultation for 20 years. My Aunt is the NICU lead at El Camino. My step-grandfather was a top cardiologist (and mayor) for Saratoga. FL Stutzman I was the technical designer/Implementation/TPM for El Camino Hospital, Good Samaritan, SF General, Nome Alaska Hospital and rebuilt Fred Hutchinson Cancer research center in Seattle as well Swedish and Virginia Mason (my first three hospital jobs when I was 20)... and many others... I know a lot about medicine. I am speaking as a parent - not denying fn vax. I am saying that KIDS (TODDLERS) don't need that much shit pumped in them all at once.
- Qwertious 6y ago
  >My brother is the director of the VA for the state of Alaska, was commander of the 10th medical wing USAF, personal flight surgeon to the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the pentagon, among many other accolades. (Colonel Timothy Dean Ballard) >My grandmother was a surgical nurse in san jose and los gatos for 50 years and did medical malpractice consultation for 20 years. >My Aunt is the NICU lead at El Camino. >My step-grandfather was a top cardiologist (and mayor) for Saratoga. FL Stutzman I think all of that's irrelevant unless they agree with your conclusion. As someone related to psychologists, I can attest that being related to people in a field doesn't necessarily result in you being well-versed in their field. Source: It's basic psychology, and if you disagree then you'd agree I know a fair bit about that.
  - samstave 6y ago
    OK Frasier...

reedjosh 6y ago

> The people who follow the recommended vaccine schedule don’t have any problems, according to scientific studies. Can you please provide some of the studies? Primarily I want to actually do some research and I want to know what the evidence is that it is safe. I no longer trust authority's scientific claims as this article and several other revelations seem to indicate I shouldn't.

michaelcampbell 6y ago
Why would you ask for studies only to assert you don't trust them?
- reedjosh 6y ago
  I want to review the studies because I don't trust the claims of media or other authorities, not because I don't trust studies. That said, I do intend to be critical of the studies as well--anyone should be. I want to review replication, funding, methodology, etc... I'd like to know what the actual evidence is for long term safety of the current recommended vaccine schedule.
  - michaelcampbell 6y ago
    At this point in medical history, with the number of people that didn't know they were participating in an ad-hoc longitudinal study over decades of how well or dangerous the accepted standard inoculation schedule is, I get the feeling you're couching close to conspiratorial thinking as "healthy skepticism".
    - reedjosh 6y ago
      The vaccines themselves and vaccine scheduling change over time. How would we know if something harmful was introduced? Unless of course as you state we are unwittingly participating in ad-hoc longitudinal studies. There are any number of `modern` diseases with seemingly unknown causes. It's not a stretch to be skeptical of the safety of modern medicine in general.

samstave 6y ago

would you deploy six patches at once to all your production servers with no idea what the outcome will be and you have no idea what's in those patches other than their name when you already had a two week outage caused by a previous attempt at doing such?

nomdep 6y ago
If those patches has been deployed before for decades on millions of servers? Yes, of course. I have no idea what the outage is supposed to be on your example, a bad reaction?
- samstave 6y ago
  The point is that vaccines are more blindly accepted than they should be. We tech people are way more cautious with patches on full production systems. The outage analogy is that assume you were patching your systems (all of them) against, say Duqu, and you blindly deploy the Duqu patch to your "millions" of servers, and instead - you INSTALLED Duqu to said servers. That is bad. The "outage" (clearly you didnt read my post) - We went to Chicago to go to the zoo for a week. Prior my Daughter got the chicken pox vaccine. The first night in Chicago, she actually got the pox from the vaccine. and it ruined the vacation and we had to stay an extra week, basically in the hotel until she was clear to fly. That was an extended 'outage' to our vacation... Clear?
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samstave 6y ago

>"I’d suggest you hit up Wikipedia and learn about medical history" My brother is the director of the VA for the state of Alaska, was commander of the 10th medical wing USAF, personal flight surgeon to the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the pentagon, among many other accolades. (Colonel Timothy Dean Ballard) My grandmother was a surgical nurse in san jose and los gatos for 50 years and did medical malpractice consultation for 20 years. My Aunt is the NICU lead at El Camino. My step-grandfather was a top cardiologist (and mayor) for Saratoga. FL Stutzman I was the technical designer/Implementation/TPM for El Camino Hospital, Good Samaritan, SF General, Nome Alaska Hospital and rebuilt Fred Hutchinson Cancer research center in Seattle as well Swedish and Virginia Mason (my first three hospital jobs when I was 20)... and many others... I know a lot about medicine. I am speaking as a parent - not denying fn vax. I am saying that KIDS (TODDLERS) don't need that much shit pumped in them all at once.

Qwertious 6y ago
>My brother is the director of the VA for the state of Alaska, was commander of the 10th medical wing USAF, personal flight surgeon to the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the pentagon, among many other accolades. (Colonel Timothy Dean Ballard) >My grandmother was a surgical nurse in san jose and los gatos for 50 years and did medical malpractice consultation for 20 years. >My Aunt is the NICU lead at El Camino. >My step-grandfather was a top cardiologist (and mayor) for Saratoga. FL Stutzman I think all of that's irrelevant unless they agree with your conclusion. As someone related to psychologists, I can attest that being related to people in a field doesn't necessarily result in you being well-versed in their field. Source: It's basic psychology, and if you disagree then you'd agree I know a fair bit about that.
- samstave 6y ago
  OK Frasier...