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The research part is often funded by public grant money. > They aren't paid to get the PhD. PhD students are often paid salaries/stipends derived from (often

The research part is often funded by public grant money. > They aren't paid to get the PhD. PhD students are often paid salaries/stipends derived from (often public) grant money.

raziel2701 6y ago
And the best part is that all this public money results in research papers that lie behind a private paywall. How have we allowed for this fraud to go on and on?
- mattkrause 6y ago
  That's no longer true. From 2013 onward, the results of all federally-funded research needs to be publicly available. Here's the memo mandating it: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2013/02/22/expanding-public-access-results-federally-funded-research https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2013/02/22/expandi... People do generally take this seriously and there are consequences (e.g., can't use publications in NIH grants if they haven't been deposited).
  - raziel2701 6y ago
    I have continued to publish and never have I been instructed to make the papers be open access. No one is enforcing that mandate. The research I've been a part of is wholly funded by the taxpayer and papers that I published after the mandate continue to not be freely available.
    - reasonabl_human 6y ago
      Perhaps they fall under export control due to being applicable to national defense?
      - raziel2701 6y ago
        No, national security stuff is simply not published. The mandate is not enforced.
    - mattkrause 6y ago
      Umm...not sure what to tell you about that, other than you’re potentially out of compliance with the terms you and your institution agreed to. I think there is a 6-12 month “exclusivity” period still, and some journals handle that automatically if you acknowledge federal funding. For example, Current Biology moved our stuff out from behind the paywall automatically on its publication anniversary. - Here’s the NIH policy: https://publicaccess.nih.gov/policy.htm https://publicaccess.nih.gov/policy.htm - The NSF: https://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/public_access/index.jsp https://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/public_access/index... - DoE: https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/08/f18/DOE_Public_Access%20Plan_FINAL.pdf https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/08/f18/DOE_Publ... - DoD: https://discover.dtic.mil/public-access-requirements-incorporated-into-the-dod-stip/ https://discover.dtic.mil/public-access-requirements-incorpo... I’m not sure if anyone has been sanctioned for not following these, but NIH progress reports/renewals require a PMCID for any papers you want to claim. You want to claim a lot on these to demonstrate productivity, so....there’s a good incentive to do this.
      - angrais 6y ago
        Regarding the GP and cost. Open access often incurs additional costs! It's absolutely madness that such a model of exists at all.
      - raziel2701 6y ago
        Yeah, no one from up top has brought it up. There's no enforcement. It's just cheap talk.

The research part is often funded by public grant money. > They aren't paid to get the PhD. PhD students are often paid salaries/stipends derived from (often public) grant money.

raziel2701 6y ago

And the best part is that all this public money results in research papers that lie behind a private paywall. How have we allowed for this fraud to go on and on?

mattkrause 6y ago
That's no longer true. From 2013 onward, the results of all federally-funded research needs to be publicly available. Here's the memo mandating it: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2013/02/22/expanding-public-access-results-federally-funded-research https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2013/02/22/expandi... People do generally take this seriously and there are consequences (e.g., can't use publications in NIH grants if they haven't been deposited).
- raziel2701 6y ago
  I have continued to publish and never have I been instructed to make the papers be open access. No one is enforcing that mandate. The research I've been a part of is wholly funded by the taxpayer and papers that I published after the mandate continue to not be freely available.
  - reasonabl_human 6y ago
    Perhaps they fall under export control due to being applicable to national defense?
    - raziel2701 6y ago
      No, national security stuff is simply not published. The mandate is not enforced.
  - mattkrause 6y ago
    Umm...not sure what to tell you about that, other than you’re potentially out of compliance with the terms you and your institution agreed to. I think there is a 6-12 month “exclusivity” period still, and some journals handle that automatically if you acknowledge federal funding. For example, Current Biology moved our stuff out from behind the paywall automatically on its publication anniversary. - Here’s the NIH policy: https://publicaccess.nih.gov/policy.htm https://publicaccess.nih.gov/policy.htm - The NSF: https://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/public_access/index.jsp https://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/public_access/index... - DoE: https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/08/f18/DOE_Public_Access%20Plan_FINAL.pdf https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/08/f18/DOE_Publ... - DoD: https://discover.dtic.mil/public-access-requirements-incorporated-into-the-dod-stip/ https://discover.dtic.mil/public-access-requirements-incorpo... I’m not sure if anyone has been sanctioned for not following these, but NIH progress reports/renewals require a PMCID for any papers you want to claim. You want to claim a lot on these to demonstrate productivity, so....there’s a good incentive to do this.
    - angrais 6y ago
      Regarding the GP and cost. Open access often incurs additional costs! It's absolutely madness that such a model of exists at all.
    - raziel2701 6y ago
      Yeah, no one from up top has brought it up. There's no enforcement. It's just cheap talk.