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Note that nobody is confused about which "the nation" this refers to.

t-writescode 6y ago
Hacker News viewers are probably predominantly American or US adjacent. Further, if we were talking about another country being cruel to its citizens, we would name and shame them. When an American goes and violates lots of laws in China or Japan and gets thrown in jail, the country name is plastered all over the post.
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- rhizome 6y ago
  Read any day's front page here, the US is specified by name plenty.
macinjosh 6y ago
If the US is such an awful country why do so many clamor to immigrate here? If you're in the US why are you still here maybe you should move to a country you don't look down on? You have no clue what life can really be like in other places. Plenty of other countries put people in jail for life from a young age. Some countries are so non-transparent you could never discover a fact like this. Doesn't make what happened to this person right by any means but using it as a cudgel to tear down the US is pretty cowardly IMO.
- brnt 6y ago
  > If the US is such an awful country why do so many clamor to immigrate here? This implies the choice to migrate to the US is rational and well researched, weighted against other nice places like Luxemburg, Sweden, Switzerland. In practice, it's just the largest Western country, so gets you the most blanket quantity of Western opportunity per unit of migration hassle.
- upinsmoke1980 6y ago
  What if the truth is somewhere in the middle? The US has enormous problems, there are many downsides to American life, especially if you're poor, black, or both, and there are many ways in which the US lags behind comparable Western countries. There are also many fantastic things about the US and things it does very well compared to most if not all other countries, and a very large number of Americans live happy, prosperous lives as a result of what America has to offer. There are lots of good reasons why someone would want to migrate to the US. I'd love to migrate to the US, or at least live there for a few years, even though I know I wouldn't like certain things about it compared to Europe. America is neither uniquely virtuous, nor uniquely evil.
- rhizome 6y ago
  >If the US is such an awful country You're reading quite a bit into a simple observation, shouldn't you be criticizing those who didn't ask for clarification instead?
LMYahooTFY 6y ago
This comment adds nothing to the discussion, and seems to be what quite a few of the HN guidelines say not to do.

Hacker News viewers are probably predominantly American or US adjacent. Further, if we were talking about another country being cruel to its citizens, we would name and shame them. When an American goes and violates lots of laws in China or Japan and gets thrown in jail, the country name is plastered all over the post.

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rhizome 6y ago
Read any day's front page here, the US is specified by name plenty.

macinjosh 6y ago

If the US is such an awful country why do so many clamor to immigrate here? If you're in the US why are you still here maybe you should move to a country you don't look down on? You have no clue what life can really be like in other places. Plenty of other countries put people in jail for life from a young age. Some countries are so non-transparent you could never discover a fact like this. Doesn't make what happened to this person right by any means but using it as a cudgel to tear down the US is pretty cowardly IMO.

brnt 6y ago
> If the US is such an awful country why do so many clamor to immigrate here? This implies the choice to migrate to the US is rational and well researched, weighted against other nice places like Luxemburg, Sweden, Switzerland. In practice, it's just the largest Western country, so gets you the most blanket quantity of Western opportunity per unit of migration hassle.
upinsmoke1980 6y ago
What if the truth is somewhere in the middle? The US has enormous problems, there are many downsides to American life, especially if you're poor, black, or both, and there are many ways in which the US lags behind comparable Western countries. There are also many fantastic things about the US and things it does very well compared to most if not all other countries, and a very large number of Americans live happy, prosperous lives as a result of what America has to offer. There are lots of good reasons why someone would want to migrate to the US. I'd love to migrate to the US, or at least live there for a few years, even though I know I wouldn't like certain things about it compared to Europe. America is neither uniquely virtuous, nor uniquely evil.
rhizome 6y ago
>If the US is such an awful country You're reading quite a bit into a simple observation, shouldn't you be criticizing those who didn't ask for clarification instead?

LMYahooTFY 6y ago

This comment adds nothing to the discussion, and seems to be what quite a few of the HN guidelines say not to do.