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Apple sells you a phone at the beginning, but after that they sell access to your wallet. They take 30% for the privilege of charging you money, ruthlessly enfo

Apple sells you a phone at the beginning, but after that they sell access to your wallet. They take 30% for the privilege of charging you money, ruthlessly enforced to the point where you're not even allowed to run anyone else's native code on your own phone without Apple's prior approval. For your own protection of course, and conveniently also protecting Apple's 30%.

jshen 6y ago
Yes is 100% accurate, and still MUCH better than the situation with FB.
kgin 6y ago
That sounds great. The world is big and people are devious. I don’t have time to vet every app I use. I’ll gladly pay Apple a percentage to do that for me.
- wayneftw 6y ago
  You'd still have that choice if there was an alternative app store or side loading. Facebook is easy to ignore. As an app developer there is no way for me to ignore half of all phone users in the US.
  - BuckRogers 6y ago
    The developers aren’t the important party. Many of us that love our iPhones partially do because of the AppStore. I don’t want anything to change, it works very well. Developers like Epic should be thanking them. I wouldn’t have a smartphone if iOS didn’t exist.
    - wayneftw 6y ago
      That still doesn't explain how giving us a choice of app stores causes a problem. If you don't like some other app store, don't shop there. And, as an iPhone user myself I want this option. So, you certainly do not speak for all iPhone users.
      - BuckRogers 6y ago
        >And, as an iPhone user myself I want this option. So, you certainly do not speak for all iPhone users. Sure, that's why I said this, explicitly- "Many of us that love our iPhones partially do because of the AppStore." > That still doesn't explain how giving us a choice of app stores causes a problem. I'd say, Apple shouldn't and doesn't have to offer another app store because their platform doesn't suck, because of their decisions. I don't want outsiders setting the precedent that people like you are going to be telling Apple how to run their business, it works very well right now without you.
- MikeUt 6y ago
  That's a great argument for Apple being the arbiter of what is allowed on their app store, but a very poor argument on why they should also decide what can run on your phone.
kerng 6y ago
I think 30% is too much, but ethically not really comparable to trading my data behind my back in the alley to shady or non shady businesses - outcomes and implications are not understood, not even by Zuckerberg himself (besides making $$$)
frongpik 6y ago
Apple is like an upscale nightclub with high entrance fees and where a club soda costs $150. Facebook is like a cheap nightclub that gives you a club soda for free, but secretly takes pictures of you so it could sell them to whoever pays most. Google is a franchise that sells licenses to run branded nightclubs with cctv cameras on every corner and rfid chips in every club soda so it could get stats about your manner of drinking.
- scyzoryk_xyz 6y ago
  Goes into upscale nightclub with flask in the jacket pocket
- bcrl 6y ago
  Facebook also puts nicotine into the drinks so you get hooked and keep on coming back for your next fix.
srg0 6y ago
Unless you're one of the 300 f-droid users, you pay the same or similar fee in Google Play market. Yes, technically Android users can side load, but I suspect the majority chooses convenience.

jshen 6y ago

Yes is 100% accurate, and still MUCH better than the situation with FB.

kgin 6y ago

That sounds great. The world is big and people are devious. I don’t have time to vet every app I use. I’ll gladly pay Apple a percentage to do that for me.

wayneftw 6y ago
You'd still have that choice if there was an alternative app store or side loading. Facebook is easy to ignore. As an app developer there is no way for me to ignore half of all phone users in the US.
- BuckRogers 6y ago
  The developers aren’t the important party. Many of us that love our iPhones partially do because of the AppStore. I don’t want anything to change, it works very well. Developers like Epic should be thanking them. I wouldn’t have a smartphone if iOS didn’t exist.
  - wayneftw 6y ago
    That still doesn't explain how giving us a choice of app stores causes a problem. If you don't like some other app store, don't shop there. And, as an iPhone user myself I want this option. So, you certainly do not speak for all iPhone users.
    - BuckRogers 6y ago
      >And, as an iPhone user myself I want this option. So, you certainly do not speak for all iPhone users. Sure, that's why I said this, explicitly- "Many of us that love our iPhones partially do because of the AppStore." > That still doesn't explain how giving us a choice of app stores causes a problem. I'd say, Apple shouldn't and doesn't have to offer another app store because their platform doesn't suck, because of their decisions. I don't want outsiders setting the precedent that people like you are going to be telling Apple how to run their business, it works very well right now without you.
MikeUt 6y ago
That's a great argument for Apple being the arbiter of what is allowed on their app store, but a very poor argument on why they should also decide what can run on your phone.

kerng 6y ago

I think 30% is too much, but ethically not really comparable to trading my data behind my back in the alley to shady or non shady businesses - outcomes and implications are not understood, not even by Zuckerberg himself (besides making $$$)

frongpik 6y ago

Apple is like an upscale nightclub with high entrance fees and where a club soda costs $150. Facebook is like a cheap nightclub that gives you a club soda for free, but secretly takes pictures of you so it could sell them to whoever pays most. Google is a franchise that sells licenses to run branded nightclubs with cctv cameras on every corner and rfid chips in every club soda so it could get stats about your manner of drinking.

scyzoryk_xyz 6y ago
Goes into upscale nightclub with flask in the jacket pocket
bcrl 6y ago
Facebook also puts nicotine into the drinks so you get hooked and keep on coming back for your next fix.

srg0 6y ago

Unless you're one of the 300 f-droid users, you pay the same or similar fee in Google Play market. Yes, technically Android users can side load, but I suspect the majority chooses convenience.